Robots Revisited — Part 1
300 | Geektober | “People in Our Pizza”
Guard Your Soul from Digital Shortcuts
Geektober gets dangerously digital! We're kicking off a two-part deep dive into artificial intelligence and the church by looking straight into the machine's dark side. Sure, AI can save hours of research, but what happens when we try to automate things that were never meant to be frictionless? Why did King David refuse to offer a sacrifice that cost him nothing — and what does that mean for generating a three-point sermon in three seconds? What happens when a chatbot tries to tell you, "As a pastor myself"? Can a predictive algorithm ever replace the Spirit-filled craftsmanship of Bezalel? And why is a growing generation of Christians starting to deeply distrust the synthetic sheen of AI-generated church content? Join us as we explore the difference between a helpful digital tool and an embodied faith!
Takeaways
The Big Idea: Spiritual formation isn't an efficiency problem to optimize; it's a living struggle requiring the breath of God and the heart of a human.
This Week's Challenge: Take one spiritual habit you’ve been tempted to speed up, automate, or scan through digitally. Manually slow it down to a pen-and-paper crawl this week.
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Dominos Cold Open
Bryan: saw a Domino's ad like years and years ago that says our most important ingredient is our people. And I was like, that's probably not the kind of marketing you'd really want. We put people in our pizza. Well, hello everyone and welcome to the Bible Geeks podcast. I'm Bryan Schiele.
Ryan: I'm Ryan Joy.
Bryan: And thanks so much everyone for tuning in.
AI And Church Setup
Bryan: Last season during our inaugural Bible Geek-tober, we asked what it would look like to enlist AI as a digital deacon to handle research, find cross-references, and clear off our desks. last couple of years, the technology has taken a quantum leap, and so did our culture's temptation to automate things That were never meant to be frictionless.
Ryan: Today we're kicking off a two part dive into artificial intelligence and the church.
Before we talk about the positive uses of these tools in part two, we need to have a brutally honest conversation in part one about the dark side. What happens when we remove human sweat, divine inspiration, and real presence from our spiritual lives.
Bryan: find it to be really entertaining that so often in our conversations that we have about spiritual things, about discipleship, all the stuff that we talk about on Bible Geeks, that I very rarely feel the need to go revisit a conversation that we have and just redo it completely or like change all of my opinions about things. I mean, I don't think my stand on certain things that we talk about in this show are really going to change that much over the years. But when it comes to a conversation we had a year ago during our inaugural Geektober about AI and robots and all of the stuff going on at the time, I mean, it was almost immediately after that that I was like, dude, we need to have another conversation because stuff has changed.
So welcome to part one of a Geektober conversation that we're going to have about AI and robots and all of the stuff that's been going on.
Vibe Check And Weird AI
Bryan: Just a vibe check here, Ryan, how are you feeling today about AI in 10 words or less?
Ryan: That is quite a challenge! Maybe that's my answer! It's quite a challenge to summarize how I feel in ten words. It's, you know, I use it, I love using it, and I also am concerned.
Bryan: okay. I think that's a very nice way of summarizing this. On today's episode, we're basically going to talk about the last thing that you said in your 10 word summary, which was I am concerned. There are some things that over the last year have just been a little bit concerning about AI in general, and all the things that I have seen, and I've been tempted to use, and I've even used myself.
We're going to talk a little bit about AI, and what we're concerned about, this will be old men yelling at clouds in this episode. Don't worry, if you want to hang tight in a couple more episodes, we'll talk about some of the positive things, some of the benefits that these tools can bring to bear. But on this episode, I just wanted to kick this off. What was the creepiest thing, or maybe the most surreal, or unhinged thing that you've experienced with AI personally, as you've dealt with it over the last year?
Ryan: One time I was planning out working on my sermon scheduling, and I was using AI to kind of help me capture some things, and it said "I think it's providential that your sermon about government and authority is happening on July 4th weekend," and I was like, "Okay, this is too weird. My AI now has faith in God. This is like a little... It's just weird. That was like too far, man. I appreciate that it knows my worldview, but come on."
Bryan: Okay,
I think, in a similar vein. I was trying to plan out sermon topics, and I think it was Gemini at the time who told me that, quote, "as a pastor myself..." and
Ryan: Man, oh!
Bryan: I was
Ryan: Oh, I don't know whether to laugh or... Wow. That, yeah.
Bryan: happened. And about that point, I was like, we are really dealing with some interesting developments here. So on that note, let us talk about some of the concerns we have about AI.
Bezalel Versus Algorithms
Bryan: And I was just thinking from the standpoint of one of my favorite examples, one of my favorite stories, and in fact, the very first story, when someone is filled with the Ruach Elohim, the Spirit of God, the very first time that that story ever pops up in the Bible is Exodus 31, where Bezalel - yes, you have heard of that name before, we have talked about Bezalel a lot - who is filled with the Spirit of God to build and create all sorts of amazing things in the tabernacle at the time, all of the artistic designs and the creative inventions that he is building alongside Aholiab. Him and Bezalel go off and do all these amazing things, filled with the Spirit of God. And I think there is a contrast here.
As we introduce this discussion, there is a contrast between being filled with the Spirit of God as image bearers, as divinely created beings who are, you know, supposed to be in his image. There is a difference between that and statistical weighted averages that are basically the heart of how AI works.
Ryan: And we focused on this a lot in our first episode, to one of your elders and talk to them is utterly different than talking to Gemini who evidently thinks they're a shepherd, you know.
Bryan: absolutely. Yes.
Ryan: is and the difference between a human and anything else, right? You know, like a human and an ape or a human and a, you know, palm tree or a human and a robot, right?
This is what we uniquely are created for. And so I think that's a really good place to start. And yeah, Bezalel, you bring us to Bezalel where we find, you know, somebody filled with the ruach, you know, with the spirit of God. We have a different word for breath, but the breath of God filling Adam right at the beginning, which I think it's helpful to pair those two together to see what I'm bringing up about being image bearers and being kind of heaven and earth put together, clay and God's breath, and then this distinctive work that these craftsmen had that God wanted to empower them uniquely to do the job. And they were already skilled, but God wants to lead them and inspire them, we would say, empower them with his spirit to do this holy work in a holy way with skill, wisdom, and in a way that pleases him.
Bryan: think that's a good starting place in it.
Time Savings And Discernment
Bryan: And I just wanted to start by saying some just fundamental things off the bat before we get into a deeper conversation in our next segment, which is called deep thoughts. So I want to talk a little bit about deep thoughts on robots and deep thoughts about really the the work that we are called to do the creative work that we're called to do and just some of the ways that it gets eroded when we use tools like A.I. when we use our our chat or our Gemini's or our clods or whateverI think on the surface, it's just hard to deny that there is a lot of time being saved by using tools like this that we can whip up a sermon outline or we can bring up like what if what do five different theological commentaries say on this particular topic or whatever. There is a lot of time savings when it comes to Bible study, when it comes to things like that. And on the surface, maybe that would be where we'd be tempted to stop.
Have you noticed time savings in your own use of some of these tools? Not not getting into where we'll go on part two of this conversation too much though.
Yeah, you know, we'll get into this later more, but it can bring to the surface exactly the resource you want whenever you're looking for it. That's what I use my Logos study assistant AI for. It gets me right to the book I want, and I would have, it would have taken a long time for me to figure out what resource has the best information on this, and that's a great use of AI. It could also be like standing on ground that you don't know how stable it is, where the potholes are. Well, like, how stable is this tile versus this tile? Because it can give you a bunch of answers, and a lot of it may be really good, but if you don't dig in and figure some things out and do your own thinking, you're not sure exactly how good it is. That's the issue.
agree. So you yes, you have saved time, but you don't necessarily know at the output of it what is the gold and what's not like you haven't done the work. And I think a lot of times it's easy to stop there. And I like the fact that you brought up the Logos sermon or the the study study assistant because that's not a that's not a particularly common one like chat GPT or Gemini or anything like that. But if you are using a tool like that, have you noticed that if you ask and I have never actually tried to do this, but I saw somebody posted about them asking Logos to do this. If you ask the study assistant to write a sermon about a certain topic, it will not do it. It will refuse to do it. It will tell you
Ryan: is designed, yes. I've not asked it to do that either, but I've watched the videos by the create, you know, those who put the boundaries around it and that they have, you know, said that's human work, basically. That is not what this is for.
Bryan: Okay, so if you could summarize this episode in anything that's human work is really where we're headed here on the surface. It's so much easier to just say, hey, I'm saving so much time
Sacrifice That Costs
Bryan: here, below the surface a little bit below that. Second Samuel chapter 24 verse 24, a verse that I like to use quite frequently when thinking about the quality of my own effort, the sacrifices that I might make.
This is when David was refusing to take for free the threshing floor and instead he demanded that he paid for it because he says, I will not offer burnt offerings to the Lord, my God, that cost me nothing. And, you know, to a point, I think that's what we're talking about here with some of these tools. It is so easy to generate a sermon, to generate a photo, to generate slides for your lesson, to generate a prayer or a prayer list. But if you've not put in the time and the energy and the effort into it, there is value in wrestling with something. There's value in pouring yourself into the hard, difficult work of opening up the text, getting deep into this. And I'm not just talking about for preachers because preachers are probably struggling with this right now more than some other people might be because of just, let's be honest, a preacher's workload is nuts.
I mean, it's just crazy what some preachers are being asked to do and the regularity with which they're being asked to do it. And so any amount of time savings or any amount of efficiency is just like a ripe fruit ready to be picked for so many people. But a tool like this that is used to remove the hard wrestling that we should be doing is definitely tempting. But even if you're not a preacher, of course, you know, in your own Bible study, in your own counseling, like you were talking about with elders, I'm going on and on here, but I have a lot to say on this topic. What do you think?
Ryan: and that's really the skill of discernment we want to bring to it. One of the key things is if you're going to use it, which is a choice,
Bryan: Yes.
Ryan: learning to think about how, which activities to pluck that fruit on,
Bryan: okay.
Ryan: Which activities, hey, this is going to gain me so much and not lose me things. This is something that if I could outsource it, whether it was to, you know, a personal assistant or a computer app that's designed just to do this or an AI, which I guess basically is that, this is perfect for it. Versus, I love what you said about the value of wrestling. It's such a good word. I've thought about it so much that way, you know, you've got to struggle with the text to try to understand it sometimes or struggle with a topic. And some things tend to come pretty easily, like they do just flow naturally and that's okay. But some things don't. And you have to make sure that in every single situation you are working through making sure what is needed to be said, what is true, what is my responsibility in this situation. And so like I do these sermon retreats now in the last couple months where I'll go and I'll work on a collection of sermons for the next month and try to nail down everything. And usually what ends up happening is if, you know, when I'm working on say three sermons, four sermons, and one of them is like, "I'm gonna spend 70% of my time wrestling with
Bryan: Yeah. It's the deep one. It's the
Ryan: it's the one that like just doesn't give easily. Like, you know, one of them, and this is what I'm texting you and Allen and, you know, Goodwin and, you know, different people, and I'm trying to figure it out, and I'm praying, and I'm studying, and it's just not coming together because I'm trying to understand this topic or I'm trying to figure out what is the most responsible and wise and helpful thing to say about this or how do I interpret this passage or whatever, if it's clear, you don't have to make it hard. The point isn't that pain and more time and effort and energy on something that doesn't bring any fruit is better. The point is you have to understand the Word. The Word has to be in you.
You have to let the text be this, you know, container for what you will faithfully say about it.
Eat The Scroll First
Bryan: Yeah.
which leads us, I think, into where you were headed there into the deeper part, maybe the deepest part of this conversation is really eating the scroll first,
Ryan: Ah, yes.
Bryan: which is, you know, Ezekiel three, I do know somebody who was teaching through Ezekiel not long ago, but the, the whole idea is just focusing on internalizing the word, internalizing what God wants you to know about something first, so that then everything else can be filtered through what you know to be true. And I think so much of the difficulty is just when it's easy to take something from a tool like this, you don't know what is good and what's not. You haven't you haven't trained your conscience, you haven't trained your heart to really understand the difference between valuable and invaluable.
Like you were talking about with the tiles, you know, you don't know what ground you're standing on. Is it shaky? Is it not? Is it firm? Is it the truth really is the on the last episode, you said, you know, the value about truth is and you don't know what truth is unless you've first eaten the scroll. The word of God filtered through our lives, filtered through our experience that colors everything about who we are. That's where conviction happens. That's where faith comes. That's where obedience has to come out of. Not because I read a five list checklist that came from a chat. It's because I have read and understood and known something to be true and then put it into practice in my own life. I just feel like this is maybe where we're headed here is just becoming more connected with the truth and using tools like this to speed up things that are not related to having that foundation or building that foundation within us. Maybe is where I'm headed.
Sermon Prep As Discipline
Ryan: You and I have both benefited through the years from thinking about discipleship and different activities we do as spiritual disciplines, and we've talked about that through the episode. And the idea of a spiritual discipline, it's not a Bible term, it's just a way of describing all the different activities and practices we do that draw us closer to God. That whenever we do this, we--it's like opening up a pathway for grace to come into our lives, because we are drawing close to Him, and He draws close to us as we study Scripture, as we pray, as we worship, as we serve others, and our acts of obedience, as we're with God's people, and, you know, edifying one another, and all the different things we do when we sing, when we-- whatever. So one of the things that I was surprised to discover when I started doing this kind of work full-time, but I think you could apply it, again, not just to preaching, but to anything you're doing in God's service, is it's a spiritual discipline. Sermon preparation, for me, is a spiritual discipline. It is a deep work of drawing closer to God, because preaching, I think, is a moment of grace. The idea of preaching is not just to convey information, it is to speak holy words from God, and then help bring the sense of the words, so that people get them, and God's transforming work in them can happen through the living and active word. So that is an act of grace, but also it is a moment of grace, a long collection of moments of grace, to spend time working on crafting those words, praying through what needs to be said. And it is, I mean, it is painful in the best way, but there is, man, it is hard, because you don't have to get up without having done that work very many times to realize, "I never want to do that again," thinking, "Oh, I've preached this one before. I think I know what I want to say.
I'm going to go through it and prep, and I review it, and I, yeah, I know what I want to say, but I haven't done the prayer and the deep work that lets that word become part of me eating the scroll. And I haven't done the work of thinking through, "God, what is the transformation you want in each person I'm going to be talking to?" And, you know, just really keep looking under the next surface and under the next level and digging deeper into what this is meant to be. And, yeah, that does not feel good, and it does not feel—it feels like the opposite of what David said, like, "I can't offer this to the Lord. I didn't bring it to Him all along the way and let Him dig in, bore into me, and mold me with this word. How can I bring this to others?"
Bryan: I've seen a lot of people and heard a lot of people who have used tools like this to avoid talking to counselors and shepherds and people like that for, you know, asking advice and things like that about how their life should go and what they need to do with this relationship or that situation. And we talked about this a year ago as well. I heard one person say recently that it's something that stuck with me. He said it's like drinking salt water. It's like you're you're getting the you're getting the water out of it. But it's not satisfying. It's not it's not doing you any good. And in fact, if you rely on it so much, you wind up hurting in the long run
Trust And AI Aesthetics
Bryan: because of it. there is something just to pivot this conversation just slightly about the trust factor. And I want to talk about this for maybe just a second. I have come to realize that there is a generation of people who have used these tools long enough who do not trust when they see people using these tools, who do not trust when they know that you're using these tools. And I use the example of like all of the times my sweet precious daughter comes to me and shows me like some ridiculous A.I. image or A.I. video or A.I. poster like she does not have a trust for the content being created when those things are obviously just generated without any work or effort or intention behind it. And I know that that's the case for a lot of people. I know that a lot of people have become and developed a distrust for the use of these tools. And I feel the same way. I have gotten to the point when I see an A.I. poster or an A.I. flyer or an A.I. graphic or something.
I've gotten to the point where I've started really becoming uncomfortable with my feelings towards that. I don't ever want somebody to think or feel about me and the work that I do in that way. So I'm careful about it and I understand the sentiment. And I don't know, quite frankly, I don't know how many people out there are aware of that because I see so many churches using it. I see so many people and people I respect using tools like this. And I don't know if they see or are connected with the perception that other people have about the use of those kinds of tools. And I just it concerns me. Not that I'm like doing some sort of value judgment on other people, but I worry and I don't know how to bring it up to them. Like, do you understand that people don't trust when they see stuff like this?
And do you understand this might be ruining your impact on other people?
Ryan: I think it's a really important point that you're bringing up, and I think we should bring it up. I think this is a conversation that we're like in the—we're in this stage where everybody's figuring things out right now. And, you know, I'll tell you, and I've shared this with you, the conversation that, you know, one of the sisters here, brought up to me. I had just—this was a while ago—and I was experimenting with using AI-generated images in my slides. And she brought up, you know, "Hey, I don't—this doesn't feel right," you know. And slides have always been a big part of what I do. I'm a graphic designer by trade,
Bryan: love your slides. By the way, all your
Ryan: Oh, thank you. Yeah, you too.
Bryan: Yes.
Ryan: This is one of our favorite topics. We could have a whole thing. But I was—she was right, you know. Like, it was too easy. I was doing too many of them. They were busy. And they were, to your point, very obviously AI-generated. And I did, like, two or three lessons that had this kind of, you know, narrative imagery. so I pivoted. And it's not like I never have used AI to generate something, but it is always very thoughtful and careful. I want it to feel like a human crafted this, and I'm going to do that work to craft something. Because I think that starts to become more valuable. It's not just about trust. With trust, there's integrity, but also there's authenticity, or like, I guess that human factor of artisan craft, you know, the Bezalel factor of like, whether it's a slide, whether it's a turn of phrase, whether it, you know, like, I just know now what, what AI sounds like. And, you know, like, it loves, you know, like chat GPT loves the not this, but that construction, it loves words like quietly, and, and it's just all these little words then and ideas and different things. And I hate that chat GPT started ruining the em dash, which you and I have been
Bryan: been using the em
Ryan: writing
Bryan: far longer than chat
Ryan: eight
Bryan: has even been thought of. So eat that
Ryan: So anyways, like, but, but knowing there is a way that it tends to like, want to frame things and wanting it to instead sound like us with our messiness of, you know, the way, the way we say things. And again, it doesn't mean it can't be a tool to, to help you. And we should be smart about thinking through how do we use things. And,
use the things that can make you more efficient, use tools, Bezalel use tools, but don't let it interfere with the authenticity of what you're trying to
Bryan: I do just want to be super careful that nothing that I'm saying comes across as gatekeeping because I'm not saying like, hey, don't use these tools. if you are putting all the thought into it and you're still making that choice to use it, then that's great. You know, I know from the graphic design standpoint, I have very strong opinions about things. There was a time when the Microsoft word art was the like, you know,
Ryan: yeah.
Bryan: lingua franca of our Church of Christ or, you know, churches broadly gospel meeting flyers. And now suddenly it's become like the A.I. version of that. And, you know, I know that there are people who just don't have those skills or don't even know what an em dash is.
Like there are people who don't care about that stuff because they're
Ryan: That was a little nerdy, wasn't it?
Bryan: was super nerdy. Right.
Presence And Secret Ingredient
Bryan: I think for a lot of us, we understand the availability of free digital information. Now, like at any moment, I can ask, you know, the chat or I can ask some other service to give me the answers of all of these questions. And I can have all of that right in my disposal. I could have a bound copy of it to hand out in a Bible class like tonight, right? But am I going to have eye-to-eye, face-to-face contact with somebody? Am I going to have the human connection, the physical presence?
And I think so much of what we can bring to the kingdom today in the 21st century is the stuff that none of those things will ever be able to touch, is ourselves, is our presence, is our connection, our across-the-table fellowship, the love we can bring with other people. And that may be one of the most important things that not only preachers or elders or deacons or anyone really in the church, any Bible class teachers, any counselors, anyone else can bring is just our presence and who we are and what we bring to the table. So I'd just close with that, I suppose, in this obviously fussy rant that I've had about AI is just to think like we have these tools, they are in our presence, we can choose to use them if we want to, but don't ever forget the importance of bringing yourself to the table.
Ryan: have you ever heard somebody say when they're talking about a baked good, you know, these, this pie that the secret ingredient is love, you know, that kind of like, like the kind of thing you'd see on a cross-stitched recipe or something. Like there is a difference whenever your grandma makes a pie and she is making it for her family and she's doing all of this work. And then she, she brings it to the table versus you went to Kroger and picked up something that, you know, is who knows what the ingredients are and it's fine. But
Bryan: no lemonade, Ryan, on all these store-bought stuff, but I get where you're going with that. It's a very apt comparison here to what we're talking about.
Ryan: yeah, I mean, I certainly have brought Kroger bought things to, to get together or something.
Bryan: not going to pass it off as being something we made though.
Ryan: That's the thing. And,I think it's just helpful to know, you know, it's the Colossians four, let your speech be seasoned with, you know, grace seasoned with salt, with wisdom, just knowing what you're doing, what you're saying, what you're putting out there and being purposeful with it.you were talking about our presence with people, our presence in everything we're doing. And that secret ingredient is love. You know, as we said before, Chachibiti doesn't love you. Gemini doesn't
Bryan: Maybe it does. I don't know, but
Ryan: I mean, it will tell you, it is a pastor. So,
Embodied Discipleship
Bryan: That's true.
Bryan: saw a Domino's ad like years and years ago that says our most important ingredient is our people. And I was like, that's probably not the kind of marketing you'd really want. We put people in our pizza. Anyway, nevermind. Let's move on.
tiptoed around a word that if you had been using chat at the time, you probably would have had a better vocabulary for, uh, let me just throw it down for you here. And we can end the conversation here is embodiment. Uh, we, we serve a God who came embodied. We S we serve a God who thought it was so important to experience life as a human in physical form in Jesus Christ. And in Hebrew chapter two, verse 17, therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God to make propitiation for the sins of the people. I mean, he went through everything we went through and God felt it was so important to do that, that when Jesus came, he was touching lepers. He was, you know, spitting on dirt to heal people's blindness. He did things that people at the time would never have thought about doing eating with and being with sinful people and everything that Jesus did on earth was important to be done in the flesh and in the physical way that he presented himself. And I just want to stop here as we kind of close this conversation and say, look, our discipleship to the Lord is an embodied discipleship. Everything that we do is done with our hands, with our eyes, with our presence, with our relationships with people. And it's going to be messy and it's going to be difficult and it's going to be dirty and it's going to take time and we will slog and we will sacrifice. And the work that we take on is broken work as it was after Adam and Eve were booted out of the garden. We'll deal with the weeds. We'll deal with the trouble and the pain. But man, it is what we're called to do as images of God. And Jesus did it and we need to walk through it too. And if we just think that we can phone it in all the time, it's just a reminder for me, like I've got to show up and I've got to do the hard, dirty work that Jesus felt so important about himself to come and to die for us.
Ryan: And, and isn't that the whole point of discipleship is like, you have nothing, you have gained nothing. You have not drawn close to God. You are not walking with Jesus. If you're, if you're not doing that, right, you can't, you can't outsource carrying your cross. This is what the cross is about. And so, like, you can use computers in all kinds of wonderful ways and not at all approach doing that kind of shortcut. This, they are not the same. It's not saying that if you use tools like this, then you're doing that, but let's just emphasize there is a difference and we should know the difference that comes with actually being formed and actually spending the time in the Word and before the Lord in worship and all of these kinds of things that we're talking about. Serving the church in true ways and being thoughtful about what we want to say and communicate to others.
So
Bryan: in case it isn't clear, you know, again, we're not talking about not using these tools because they are useful. They are helpful. And in two episodes, if the Lord wills, we will be back to talk more about this, these tools in our own lives and how we can use them and how we, you and I, both use them ourselves, some tips and tricks and things like that. But yeah, like go in eyes wide open, understand what you're getting yourself into and know that there are certain things that I just am not allowed to outsource. I should not be outsourcing. The sacrifice is the part of it. A
Slow Down Spiritual Habits
Bryan: nd so maybe the challenge for this week, if you want to take one on, is if there is a spiritual habit that you have, like a discipline that you've been trying to take on, that you've been thinking about speeding up, maybe take the opposite step and actually slow it down. There are some things that in my own life I have absolutely slowed down and there are some easy ways to make that happen.
But you know, it is difficult. Like sometimes you want to type it out on the keyboard and you want to go crazy with the tools we have, but maybe you should grab a pen and paper and go the slow way. Like we talked about it in the last episode, maybe we should start inscribing things on tablets of stone just to make them more permanent someday.
Ryan: if I'm understanding you correctly, there are some easy ways to make things harder. Is that right? Yeah.
Bryan: some simple ways, some five steps to make things way more difficult for you. That's good. Yeah, we're great marketing here. It's wonderful at the Bible Geeks. No, like for me personally though, I have shared this on our reel that I did of my office tour recently, but I am actually handwriting the New Testament right now, which maybe we can talk about at some point, but that is a way of slowing down and going analog that I've really valued over the last few months. Just things like that, right? Just finding the slower ways to do things may be helpful in a world where everything can be so optimized and sped up with the algorithm.
Ryan: I love that you're doing that. That's really cool. And another thing, something I've been working on for a long time is memorizing. I've been trying to memorize the Sermon on the Mount,
Bryan: wow.
Ryan: involves some writing and thinking through it. But you can't have something memorize something for you because it is literally putting it inside you in some
Bryan: Eat and scroll.
Ryan: it. It is eating the scroll. And so that's another long way to integrate God's Word into you. It's an easy way to make things harder.
Bryan: Yes, that's well said.
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Wrap Up And Next Episode
Bryan: o on our next episode, we are going to be talking about dating revelation, not in terms of like our relationship building with the book of Revelation, but in fact, figuring out what on earth are these dates that people keep throwing around related to when Revelation was written or the audience for which it was intended? So we'll get into that on the upcoming episode here in the middle of Geek-tober. Thanks for tuning in to the Bible Geeks podcast. Find us on our website, find show notes in your podcast player, or reach out to us. We'd love it if you'd get in touch with us and let us know what you want to hear about on future episodes. Until next episode, may the Lord bless you and keep you.