Mini: The Chosen S2E7
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Enjoy Season 2, Episode 7 of the Chosen
Dun dun! In the criminal justice system of first-century Israel, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the Romans who enforce the laws, and the disciples who accidentally break them. These are their stories. Welcome back to the Winter Watch Party! In this episode, we’re opening the case file on The Chosen Season 2, Episode 7 ("The Reckoning"). The show turns into a full-blown police procedural when Jesus and the disciples are detained by Roman authorities. We review the "suspect lineup" to see who cracks under the pressure. Peter is spiraling, Andrew is ready to start a riot, but Matthew and Mary step up to keep the crew level-headed. We also break down the surprisingly complex Roman characters (shoutout to Atticus and Quintus) playing good cop/bad cop with a perfectly calm Jesus. Finally, we look at how Jesus prepares the Beatitudes amidst the chaos, ending with the ultimate mic drop: teaching His stressed-out followers the Lord's Prayer.
Takeaways
The Big Idea: Peace isn't the absence of conflict; it's the presence of Jesus in the middle of the interrogation room.
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Welcome to Bible Geeks + “Law & Order: Capernaum”
Ryan: Do you have to be so you all the time?
Bryan: Yeah, Well, hello everyone and welcome to the Bible Geeks podcast. I'm Bryan Schiele.
Ryan: I'm Ryan joy and in the criminal justice system The people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups the Romans who enforce the laws and the disciples who? Accidentally break them. These are their stories
Winter Watch Party kickoff: S2E7 “The Reckoning” recap & stakes
Bryan: Welcome back everyone to the winter watch party. We're watching season 2, episode 7. This is called the Reckoning. And honestly, the show turns into like a full-blown procedural this week. Jesus and his disciples are detained. They're interrogated. They're held in a Roman holding cell.
Ryan: Tensions are high Simon Peter is having a bit of a panic attack The disciples are turning on each other and Jesus Jesus is just having a casual chat with a spy So today we are opening the case file We're going back to look at the usual suspects examine the evidence and see if the disciples can beat the charges
Bryan: music everyone. This is Law and Order Capernaum.
Vibe Check rating: four loaves & fishes (why it works)
Bryan: Okay, Ryan. So, we've been doing this on these episodes here. We've been doing a little vibe check. Uh, five loaves of fishes down to one. Uh, where do you put this episode? This is kind of, um, I don't know, a bottle episode part two. Maybe not so much, but, uh, there's, there's a lot going on here in this one, I suppose.
Ryan: Yeah, this is this is the one where he gets arrested so there's a little bit of action a little bit of a per our our intro here a little bit of our police procedural approach and Yeah, I liked it. I'm gonna go for four loaves and fishes here.
Bryan: Yeah. I, I was also thinking four. I'm saving, obviously, my, uh, my sev-, uh, my, uh, fives for a special day. But, uh, four, I think this is good. You know, it's tension, a lot of payoff here, uh, some political drama. Like, I think this is, uh, it's definitely one of these episodes of television that you can appreciate where it's coming from and the, the difficulty that it's raising.
And, ooh, is he gonna make it through? And in the, in the progression of the season, really, like, this is a great lead up to the final episode, the finale. Just really setting up some good, good action here for that episode,
First-century politics & atmosphere: Jews, Rome, and public tension
Ryan: Yeah, and you know, it's
it was such a interesting political climate right with with the power That the Jews had but the limits to that power and then the power that Rome had but they're kind of Interested a lot of Jewish, you know, this seems like an internal issue that you guys need to work through But they have their own thing that they're they're trying to you know, manage the peace and that kind of thing So I I think there's a lot of interesting first century insights in in this episode also
The Lineup: Peter under pressure (fight, flight, and fear)
Bryan: well, let's, uh, let's do this like Law & Order, Capernaum style, and, uh, get into the lineup here. Because, you know, I think when you, when you think about being detained by the police, I think you really find out who you are as a person when you're, uh, when you're forced to talk about what you've done and where you were that night and whatever.
So, let's look at the lineup here of suspects and see who cracked first. We've got Peter up on the, up on the table here, and he is kind of a flight risk in general. Like, I think generally he's spiraling in these episodes and he wants to fight, he wants to run. He's like a loose cannon. Um, and, you know, understanding, like, where he's been and the, and the law trouble that he's been under from all of his tax debts.
Um, what do you think about Peter in this moment of, uh, you know, political difficulty, let's just
Andrew, Matthew, and the crew: who keeps it together?
Ryan: You know and some of these episodes right together I've watched this season all all together but I think in some ways I think of Peter as more level-headed than what you're saying and Andrew as the bigger issue like Andrew is out of control he wants to go and you know break Jesus out of jail and Andrew I think is having more of a flashback to the times with John the Baptist He's somebody who wants to make sure that he's controlling things and and taking care of things Peter seems to be trying to calm Andrew down here more to me, but I don't know Yeah, what do you
Bryan: Yeah, I can see that. I mean, I feel like, I feel like Peter just in general is one of my most relatable people in this whole show.
Ryan: Definitely
Bryan: he's, he's so human. He, he, he has moments of great faith, but then moments of, you know, just spiraling out of control. And I could, I could definitely see what you're, what you're talking about there with Andrew.
And maybe at this moment, he's trying to be a little bit more, uh, circumspect with, with Andrew. But I don't, yeah, I think, I think they still struggle. They, they wind up being, uh, a really good pairing of, of difficulty in some ways. But, uh, maybe let's pull up one more, uh, suspect of the lineup here. And I was thinking Matthew, um, you know, Matthew's not going to like tattle on anybody, but everyone thinks that he's going to, because he's like, you know, of course he's, he is, uh, well, Matthew, like he has to tell all the details. He has to provide, um, all the color commentary or whatever it is, all the, all the, you know, facts and figures. And, uh, you know, you can definitely see where the, the passion maybe of Peter up against someone like Matthew flaring up again in these moments where it's like, yeah, don't, don't say anything, you know, Matthew.
Ryan: When you say he's well, he's Matthew reminds me of about Peter Andrew is saying to him Do you have to be so you all the time?
Bryan: Yeah, yeah,
Ryan: And yeah, I mean Matthew he is pretty level-headed I think in this situation and I'm thinking of the scene where they Jesus has been taken Peter and Andrew come back from fishing and and Matthew and Mary and you know a few other people Peter to some extent are trying to calm things down and say we don't need to he said stay here he said to wait and of course Simon the zealot and Andrew are ready to go and break him out and and so I think Matthew is is a bit of a voice of
Mary’s mic-drop leadership + Jesus’ calm in custody
Ryan: reason and
I don't know if you have this in the map for us to talk about but I feel Like Mary is the real Stabilizer here. Are you are we gonna talk about that later or should I talk about
Bryan: I wasn't, but I think it's, it's spot on, right? Because of the, of the figures that we have in this episode that are like real level-headed and clear on what's going on, I would agree with you that it's Mary, but it's also Jesus. And we could, you know, talk more about him. I feel like Jesus is like, cool hand Luke here.
You know, he's, he's like, he's not worried at all. Um, he's like analyzing his interrogators. Not a big, not a big deal for him. Mary, on the other hand, I think is, uh, is definitely somebody who could spiral out into worry, but doesn't seem to
Ryan: she speaks with an interesting subtle authority kind of humble authority when they're all arguing and she closes the whole discussion down when she basically takes ownership of what she did and her Confession her acknowledgement. I shouldn't have left. I did the wrong thing. I was listening to my own Observations and what I saw Implying you guys are doing that also right now and we need to not do that And then she says he said wait and then she walks away and sometimes like the last thing you when you say a thing That's we talked about a mic drop moment sometimes the lat you say the thing and you walk away and she's like Escorting Mary Jesus mom away and it just settles it and then there's there is nothing more that can be said after That it's done.
Good cop/bad cop: Romans as complex characters (Atticus, Quintus, soldiers)
Bryan: So, you know, thinking about like the good, the, uh, law and order style of this, I think you, you wind up getting into this good cop, bad cop kind of scenario where I feel like this episode starts to paint a picture of the Romans in a really interesting way. Like, these are not over the top, like cartoon villains, but these are, you know, at least like Atticus here.
He's smart. He's curious. He seems to be somewhat respectful of Jesus, but then, you know, these Romans are like pretty calm. And then you get the disciples who are like wild and I mean, not all of them, but like many of them are very wild and out of control. And so I don't know, like in a weird way, you sort of, sort of start connecting with people like the Romans in this episode.
I don't know. I found myself doing that. Did you, did you at all find them as like compelling people in this episode?
Ryan: Oh Definitely throughout this season Atticus what an interesting role to play and I've never researched You know, is there such a thing as this secret detect private detectives of Caesar? But what an interesting idea I mean, it makes sense and then Quintus is is really, you know, just he's the one the the one that was sitting behind the desk, right?
Is that Quintus? Yeah, and and he's just like perpetually amused by the things underneath him and that just seems like such a true Situation for someone in power who's kind of above the fray to to see and like I could see him being like I like You Jesus I find you know cheat this Jesus character I want to watch him and you know that I do find them interesting and then I don't know the guy's name But the the Roman soldier who has that that soft spot for Matthew I think he's really interesting and you can see you know, these are humans and they're not they're not great people.
they're not I Agree with what you said, they're not cartoon villains and in real life You know, these were people who there were there were good Roman centurions. We know that there were evil people there were people like pilot who just sort of saw the truth and He's kind of like a Quintus type character who saw this and he wasn't inherently evil He was trying to free Jesus but he ended up just compromising completely to the crowd and doing a horrible thing in killing Jesus or letting Jesus be killed because of the political realities that he was Navigating and that was where his head
Bryan: I really, you know, I think this is deeply rooted in, in the Bible in some, in some ways, you know, as you start to see Paul, especially in, in his life and the interactions he had with Roman officials and things like that. Like there was a, there was a curiosity there. There wasn't always like a, you know, villainous sort of super hate that was going on all the time.
It was, it was, it was kind of interesting that the dynamics that they had together.
Sermon prep in the chaos: Beatitudes, peacemakers, and real-life faces
Bryan: So I think an episode like this is, is helpful to maybe see like, what could the disciples, Jesus, some of these people have been going through, not just with the Jewish religious leaders at the time, but also with the world power of Rome, you know, and you think about all of this and there's this like thread, you know, weaving throughout this episode and like Jesus is working on a sermon.
He's got, you know, he's got some stuff he's working through with the sermon and I think it's interesting to think about Jesus prepping for a sermon and we won't get into that in too much detail here. But do you find it interesting how, you know, when Jesus is looking literally at all of this difficulty and struggle and, you know, and then he says, "Blessed are the peacemakers," that like he's not actually talking to a real life scenario that he's dealing with at the time.
I have to imagine that so much of like the Beatitudes probably had real life moments that Jesus was probably calling back to.
Ryan: It's it's an interesting thought and is this the episode where it closes with saying that or maybe it's the next one where you start to he says them and it shows vignettes of the different disciples and how you know, Isn't that true that you can say one of the Beatitudes and somebody comes to mind?
Who is the peacemaker in your life? Who do you know that is just pure in heart that is always Hungering and thirsting for righteousness and you just see you know, we could start listing off friends that both of us know Okay that yeah that reminds me of Chad that reminds me of Allen that reminds me of Sherrilyn that remind you know And it's it's a kind of a cool thing to think of Jesus looking in people's faces and saying Blessed are you whenever you are persecuted blessed are the are those who will see
Prayer as the closing mic drop: the Lord’s Prayer and learning to pray
Bryan: Well, and so we have in this moment, yeah, this is the episode, episode seven, where he's closing with the prayer, right? He's closing with the Lord's prayer here at the end. And, you know, I really do, I really do appreciate this episode in so many ways. You know, he's not lecturing his disciples, he gathers them all together and teaches this version of the Lord's prayer.
And so right in the middle of all of this fear and difficulty and everything else that's going on, you know, gives them something that is entirely from God. It's entirely focused on a connection and a conversation with the Lord, asking him to deliver us from evil. And I don't know, I think in so many ways, when there's a lot of struggle and difficulty and interpersonal relationships, can we just talk for a little bit about where prayer is like the mic drop moment at the end of this episode and how it is for our lives
Ryan: Prayer as the mic drop moment. I mean prayer prayer is like handing the mic to God, right? Prayer is saying okay. I I don't know what to do with this I'm gonna I'm gonna call on you for help and this is a beautiful Scene where someone the disciples are saying can you teach us how to pray? We always see you praying Can you teach us how to do that?
which which is biblical that happened that you know that we have a an account of that and For Jesus to walk through and it was kind of neat that he took the model prayer from Matthew 6 and in this episode He explained each line a little bit and then if it fades away, so yeah prayer is a kind of mic drop moment There's a reason why whenever we have a tense moment in the church or we have a meeting or whatever it is We close by saying often at least by saying, okay, let's go to God and and leave this with him.
Bryan: I appreciate so much that like in these moments of difficulty, you know, to really, if we can remember to lean on the Lord in prayer and talk to him about these things, it's not a trite, like flippant thing. And I want to be the kind of person who people are like, "We always see you praying," or "We always, like, we know that you're praying."
And then like asking more information or questions about that. You know, of course, it's Jesus. That's what he was always doing. But you just like, you imagine having that kind of presence that people just know, like, that's what you're about. That's who you are as a person who prays. And I don't know, I feel like there's a lot of stress and difficulty in this episode that, you know, prayer just feels like the correct way of ending the whole thing.
Going from this time in a holding cell into a place of communicating with God about all the things that are going on.
Ryan: I have those people. Do you have those people that you're like actually that's who I want to teach me to pray This is a person of prayer that has no something about this. I need to learn and yeah I love that for our kids to see us or are you know, the people around us to see us reflecting that the Lord's love of prayer and and know that there's something that that we can grow in and maybe we could teach them something something to aspire to
Bryan: Yeah, no doubt.
Wrap-up & next week teaser: Season 2 finale and Sermon on the Mount
Bryan: Well, I appreciated this episode. And again, you know, we're nearing the end of this season. We're nearing actually the end of our winter watch party. So thanks everyone for following along with us. Next week, we're going to get into the season finale, episode 8 of season 2. This is where we get to the Sermon on the Mount, finally.
And then we see Judas, you know, making some moves. And we'll talk a little bit more about that in that moment. So thanks everyone for tuning in to the Bible Geeks podcast. You can find us on our website or wherever you get your podcasts. You can rate us wherever you're listening to this too. We'd appreciate that.
And until next episode. May the Lord bless you and keep you.
Ryan: Shalom