Boundary Crossings
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Step Boldly Into Life's New Seasons
Grab your moving dollies and roll up your pant legs — the fall season is here! We're kicking things off on the muddy banks of the Jordan River in Joshua 3 and 4. Why does stepping into a new season paralyze us, and why does God so often wait until our feet are soaking wet before making a way forward? What can forty years of eating the exact same breakfast teach us about letting go of our comfort zones? How do we stop clinging to the relics of who we used to be? And what does it take to set up our own "Ebenezer" stones so we don't forget the God who brought us through the flood? Join us for a fun, vulnerable conversation about crossing our own rivers, saying goodbye to the past, and trusting the Lord with whatever is waiting on the other side!
Takeaways
The Big Idea: Stepping into a new season requires getting your feet wet while trusting the track record of God behind you.
This Week's Challenge: Pick one specific answered prayer or lesson from your last season to keep on your desk or index card, and discard one piece of mental clutter you’ve been dragging along.
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Ryan: Not holy in the sense of, like God is holy, but holy as in the sense of, like, it's just got so many rips and tears because I've worn it forever.
Welcome Back Bible Geeks
Ryan: But those are the most comfortable. But at some point it's like, dude, get a new T-shirt. Move on, it's time to go.
Bryan: Well, hello everyone. And welcome to the Bible Geeks podcast. I'm Bryan Schiele.
Ryan: I'm Ryan Joy.
Bryan: And thanks so much everyone for tuning in. It is thrilling to stand on the edge of a new chapter, But it can also be completely paralyzing. Whether it's packing up moving vans, adjusting to new routines, or stepping into an unknown season, our human instinct is to freeze on the riverbank until the ground looks completely dry.
Ryan: Today, we kick off our fall season by diving into Israel's Jordan crossing in Joshua three and four. We're getting honest about our own transitions, laughing at how bad we are at changing seasons and discovering why real faith often feels like stepping into the water with your socks on.
New Season Transitions
Bryan: All right, Ryan, it is another season here. I don't even, like we've been doing the summer surfing thing and we recorded those episodes so long ago, like prior to me even leaving Phoenix.
And we were talking over these last few months and it is like everything in my life has changed since the last time we recorded. And so to say it's a new season is really like quite literally for me, it is almost everything about what we're doing in life is brand new. And so I've just figured, let's lean into that a little bit in this episode and talk about these big transitions of life.
Like what happens when you come to a new season, whether big or small, but like especially where you've picked up everything in your life and just moved across the country or you've started a new relationship, you know, you've got married or like you've got a kid or something like that, where it's like, you're not the same person you used to be, although not much has changed about yourself. Have you come to these moments in your own life over the years?
Ryan: Yeah, and I think it's actually helpful even whenever there's not some obvious transition. You know, like, absolutely. It is important to recognize what is changing in those big moments, and you just had a huge one.
And I haven't had anything like that. You know, I haven't had a new child or a new marriage or a new job. But, you know, over the course of a year, you become a different person. You know, over the course of life, you're constantly changing. The environment around you is constantly changing. And if you don't, like Ferris Bueller says, if you don't stop and look around, you know, you can miss what's changing.
You can miss life and just, you know, kind of keep your nose down and keep working and grinding forward. And what you used to do might not work anymore as well as it used to. And you might not learn the lessons you were meant to learn from that last season. And you might not give thanks to God for the blessings of the past season and what you're stepping into now.
So it's just helpful to name those things from a spiritual Christian perspective before God being aware of what he's doing and what you're meant to do and be right now in your life.
Bryan: think that's helpful because yeah, like you said, it is so easy just to suddenly wake up and it's, you know, two or three years since the last time you kind of did this. And it's interesting in September, you know, we typically would tend to do these kinds of episodes or have these types of conversations maybe around the turn of the year.
But
Ryan: Mm,
Bryan: I've, I don't know, like I've always felt like September is a really solid time to do this and maybe this is kind of a confluence of a few things for me.
Relics From Past Seasons
Bryan: But, you know, maybe to kind of start this thing out in a little bit lighthearted way with an icebreaker, I was thinking about like ridiculous relics from an old season that you've clung onto way longer than you should have. Having been able to move all of my stuff across the country, I've come to find a few things that are just, they make me laugh, you know, that we still kept them or that I still hung on to them.
Like there's, I have in my office right now, in my brand new office here in Plainfield, Indiana, for those unfamiliar, I found all of my old video game systems from back when I was a kid. And it was really funny, like going through and pulling them out of the boxes. Like I've got my Nintendo, I've got my Game Boy, my Super Nintendo, all of that stuff. I put it on a shelf up here in my office because it's like just kind of a reminder of the nerd I used to be. But boy, like, I don't know that I would ever really sit down and play like Tetris on the Game Boy or like, I mean, maybe I would bust out the Nintendo and play, you know, play Duck Hunt or something like that. But
Ryan: Oh man,
Bryan: I'm a different person than I used to be back then. I don't know, do you have any like relics that you hang on to that kind of remind you of who you used to be?
Ryan: It's an interesting question. I remember that experience of moving across the country and you do so much editing of your life.
You know, you get rid of so much. And then I remember when we moved here, after we had gotten rid of over half our stuff, we were, as we're unpacking, getting rid of more stuff. It's like, we paid to move it across the country and now we're getting rid of it. But you just realize how much you accumulate in life, like snowballing and, you know. The first thing that came to mind is something my wife brings up all the time, which is my old, holy, ratty T-shirts.
Not holy in the sense of, like God is holy, but holy as in the sense of, like, it's just got so many rips and tears because I've worn it forever. But those are the most comfortable. But at some point it's like, dude, get a new T-shirt. Move on, it's time to go. So I don't know, there's a lot of things, and boy, there's a lot of things in life, you know, just sort of, you know, the old furniture of a past version of yourself to go with what you're saying, or like, you know, like a snake sheds dead skin.
And, you know, there's things that it's time to move on and get rid of. So I think that's a great metaphor in an icebreaker.
Bryan: yeah.
Joshua Jordan Crossing
Bryan: Well, so I was thinking about this a lot, obviously having done this big move, but one of the things that kind of struck me as I was in the process of moving across the country and all these other things was the story from Joshua chapter three, which I kind of wanted to focus on for a little bit for our conversation today, how Joshua is, you know, basically doing this huge troop movement literally from, you know, on one side of the Jordan to the other side of the Jordan.
And he's gone in this moment from now taking the reins here in the story over from Moses, who doesn't get to go to the promised land, who's just recently died, obviously at the end of Deuteronomy and now into Joshua. Joshua's now the leader and he is told to be strong and courageous and, you know, multiple times, he's the one who now has to take this on. And the story in Joshua chapter three is really interesting because he is making this movement from one side of the Jordan to the other, but in order to get them across, God is going to part the waters one more time, again, for them, just like he did with Moses at the Red Sea when they came out of Egypt.
And it just represents this moment of transition from one stage or one way of being to another one. They were wandering in the wilderness and all the things that that brings up to our minds, and they were going home. They were going to a new land, Canaan, where God was blessing them with milk and honey and all of the blessings and provisions he was going to give them. And I just kept thinking about that story a lot over the time of my move and just this big transition in my life.
And there's some key moments here that I think I want to talk about, specifically about the trust that it takes to be a man like Joshua and lead the people into the promise lane.
Ryan: a perfect metaphor for this topic we're talking about because they are going from one way of life. I mean, they're going from a season of literal wandering. They're going from a time when their food appears on the ground every morning to a time when they'll have to go and pick it for themselves. And they will have reached a destination that they've been trying to get to for a long time.
And so like, to know, okay, I'm here now, I reached that goal, matters. And so that metaphor is important, but then also, you know, as we are God's people and we cross over moments in our lives up until that last crossing, as we sing about crossing Jordan, you know, when we transition out of this life into the next, it's important to treat these, to learn from how God directed the people to treat these moments and remember who he is and what he has done, yeah, in our crossing.
So I think it's a perfect backdrop for this
Feet In Floodwaters
Bryan: Cool, yeah, and it's so interesting the way this all plays out. If you haven't read Joshua 3, you should definitely go and do it. We won't read the whole thing, but Joshua 3, they get to the river of the Jordan, and God doesn't just split the river open for them.
He requires them to have the priests go down with the Ark of the Covenant, and before the waters will stop, even up further than where they're at, it's not gonna split in half or anything like it did at the Red Sea, but it's gonna stop up at a city far, far upstream called Adam, actually, which is an interesting detail there. But in order to do that, though, the priests had to put their feet in the water.
For the very first time, they had to put their feet in the water, and then the waters would stop. And there's a detail here that's super cool is that the waters are at flood stage. So this is like God leading them to cross the Jordan River at a moment where it would have looked the absolute worst. It would have looked completely scary and terrifying as they all, I don't know how many people there were, probably millions of people, getting there to that river, and now suddenly having to see that it's at flood stage and that they can't take all their stuff over easily, and they have to trust God enough to put their feet in the water, and then it will stop.
And it just like, is God demonstrating to them, you need to trust me. Again, let me put you through this test. Let me put you through this moment where you're gonna have to do something uncomfortable and difficult. And I just like, when I come to a moment of big transition in my life, like I just have, and like you're talking about too in your past few years, like if you've, even if you haven't had some big, you know, exciting moment of transition or whatever, like you could probably stop and say like, how has God led me over a difficult season, or how has he led me through something that I had to trust in him over?
And this is a moment where Joshua has to trust in God, and the people have to trust in God. And how, why is that so difficult for us to kind of, like you were talking about earlier, you know, it's easy for us to just sort of forget to check in, or forget to take stock or whatever. Like, why is that the default, and why does trusting God really come unnaturally to us in these kinds of
Why We Resist Change
Ryan: it's hard to notice life sometimes just because we are about the business of it, you know? And so that's the first part is like the check-in. You just are on autopilot through life because there's a lot to worry about or a lot to think about. There's just, life is busy and life has other things and it's not necessarily bad things, you know? You're serving others, you're thinking about other things.
And sometimes it feels almost like self-indulgent to take moments to reflect on things and think about your life and notice things. And if you don't have regular periods of prayer built in for that kind of thing and periods of, you know, reflection or conversation with people that are going to engage in big perspective talks with you, yeah, we just don't have the contemplative kind of a life that facilitates that. So that's the first part.
And then the second part is about the and the trust in God of stepping forward.
Put your feet in the water. "
Deep Thoughts: Dealing With the Baggage
Ryan: When you're serving God, be bold in following him."
Bryan: it is difficult to be bold in unknown circumstances, because we just have, and maybe this is kind of a precursor for a conversation we can have about these moments with some more deep thoughts. So on the surface, I think what we tend to do so often is romanticize the past and the wilderness. Like, when you get to the children of Israel, this is absolutely what they had been doing. You know, in their wilderness wanderings, they had been looking back to Egypt and just saying, "Oh, if only we could go back to Egypt.
"If only we could go back to the wonderful food we had "and everything else." And why might boldness be difficult for me in these moments of transition? Maybe because I'm spending too much time in the past, thinking about the past, wanting it to be the way that it used to be.
Ryan: The leaks, the melons.
Bryan: Oh boy, yeah. And even just like all the old anxieties that used to exist back then, or the things that we built up to protect ourselves, those like defensive walls that we put up in place, that now we just have a difficult time sort of letting go when we've started something new or pushed forward into something.
So I feel like leaning into the past is one thing that keeps us from being bold. I don't know about you.
Ryan: Yeah, that's a good one. we like familiarity. We like the comfort of knowing what tomorrow is gonna be like.
And Adrienne has a thing that she'll say like, "I don't know if I like that vacation. "I've never been on it before." And so she'll like want to not do it because she's not been there before, because we've not visited the future before. And so it's like, you know, I don't know what's on the other side of that river. Even if I've been there before and then I came back, it may have changed.
And so like, it's scary to not know. And I like the comfort of my coffee cup and my, you know, all the things that are my familiar security blanket.
Bryan: Well, let's just go back in the past here in the story of Joshua.
He had stood at this river before. I mean, he and Caleb had gone into the promised land already and when they came back, the other spies who were with them said, "Hey, we can't do this." And so I am assuming that there's some amount of nostalgia here at this moment for Joshua as he stands at the Jordan River, about to cross back over and wondering to himself like, "Ah, I hope this is gonna be different "than the last time we tried to do this."
You know, just remembering 40 years past, like where they were at, when they were complaining and afraid. Like, yeah, he had been to this vacation before and the last time he was there, it didn't work out so great. But you know, at this moment, now he's leading with more courage and he's leading a new group of people who will hopefully have a different reaction. And they will, we'll see that.
Ryan: they will, and God has promised that they will, but they have been, yeah, there's pain associated with it because I'm actually about to preach on Caleb, which you did like a couple of years ago. And the interesting thing is that Caleb and Joshua had 40 years of, I don't know if suffering is the right way to say it, but like of delay that was caused by someone else's disobedience, someone else's faithlessness. And so they have been dealing with, like that could really bring some resentment, that could bring some baggage.
Like, man, you remember when we were here last time, what they did and what happened. And now we've had 40 years of funerals for all the people we knew that were of our generation, you know, there's like a hopefulness and a confidence, I'm sure, but also like a bittersweetness, right?
Bryan: yeah.
Bittersweet Manna Ending
Bryan: Yeah, and I was actually just thinking about bittersweetness in terms of the way that they made this transition. So below the surface, you know, as we start like continuing on in our process here of deep thoughts, like below the surface, there's something going on in Joshua chapter five that I think is really interesting when the people go over into Canaan, the day after the Passover, in verse 11 of chapter five, day over the Passover on that very day, they ate of the produce of the land, unleavened cakes and parched grain.
So cool, you know, moment that they finally have to eat whatever is here in this land. And the manna, in verse 12, ceased the day after they ate of the produce of the land and there was no longer manna for the people of Israel. And they ate of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year. Talk about bittersweet. Did they love manna after 40 years of having eaten it? I don't, you know, I don't think they loved it after a few weeks of having to eat it.
But here it is, this moment where like, they've spent 40 years eating the same food every day, all the time, God providing for them and blessing them. And now, like something is different. They've crossed over, they've moved into Canaan, and now everything, like their whole food system is now completely different.
Ryan: Because a whole generation of people never had a meal that wasn't involving manna, right?
I mean, anybody 40 and under has never, you know, this is how you get food. And so that's really hard to imagine. Like, okay, different flavors, different, you know, we've talked about how your taste buds adjust, your body adjusts to what you eat and everything, but like just the psychological aspect of, you could go hungry if you're not, you know, if you're not working, if there's a famine, everything is different now.
And it's okay as a Christian to mourn and to grieve something that is gone. Tomorrow, I have a funeral for my cousin. And, I'm gonna talk about Tabitha and everybody, all the ladies around Tabitha grieving her. And it's okay as a Christian to grieve somebody that you can't imagine your life without this person. We don't grieve as those who have no hope. That's what Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4.13. We grieve, we just grieve differently.
And it's that way for other things too. You know, just in our life, we can say, man, that was nice. I remember when I had more strength to serve differently, We just want to do it with an eye towards who God is and that God is still on his throne and that there are new blessings that are showing up and his mercies are new all the time.
And like in the case of losing someone who is a Christian, we do it knowing we're sad, but they aren't, you know, and that changes that. - Yeah,
Bryan: I can really appreciate what you're saying there. Obviously, we've probably all, if you've lived long enough on this earth, have gone through moments of grief watching somebody who you love leave this earth. And it really is just, it's one of the hardest things to deal with.
But even in smaller ways, like you're saying, I think to grieve our kids not being little anymore, or I know some parents and maybe somebody in your own house there, it gets real sad when she starts to see her little ones not need her in the same ways that, it's just the season is moving on. Life is continuing to go. And for us in our house, it was very much that way during this whole move.
I mean, having to pick up everything and shuffle it across the country is one thing, but there is a lot of looking backward at the house that we left and the house that we built and remodeled and struggled in and celebrated in and all of those things. It's like, even just leaving that home was difficult in different ways for all of us. And I think it's important for us to, when we cross into these next moments, to really go deep.
And I think that's where this whole segment is leading us to, is to honor what has been and to feel bold and brave and moving forward into the future, like having done both of those things. So to flippantly disregard anything and be like, "Ah, it's not a big deal anymore," is probably not the move.
Memorial Stones Remembering
Bryan: And I think that's what we see here in Joshua chapter four. once they do cross over the Jordan and the feet of the priest go into the water and the waters open up and all the people cross over on the dry land, before they completely move over to the other side, they grab 12 stones out of the riverbed and they set up a memorial on the other side.
And they also do a weird thing where they set up a memorial in the riverbed also that gets covered up when the water covers it again, which is an interesting detail. But just to think about these memorial stones, like these were not set up there so that the people who had just crossed remembered because they were there. They saw the whole thing, they experienced it. It was specifically so that when somebody comes back through and your children ask in Joshua chapter four, verse six, "It may be a sign among you when your children ask "in times to come, what do these stones mean to you?
"Then you shall tell them that the waters of the Jordan "were cut off before the Ark of the Covenant of the Lord "when it passed over the Jordan, "the waters of the Jordan were cut off. "So these stones shall be to all the people of Israel "a memorial forever." Just like a time where we get to tell our kids, "Hey, this is what life used to be like back then. "And this is where we used to live. "This is what we used to do.
"This is who we used to be. "And now we've moved on." These memorials can really mean an antidote, I guess, to amnesia, both physically and spiritually, as we start to just look at what life is and just to remember and honor it. And I love that they take this time to set up a memorial here so that this moment of crossing in to the promised land can be a reminder for the generations to come.
There's so much value in reminder, I
Ryan: this is right after, not long after Moses preaches the book of Deuteronomy, which like one of the main themes that I've noticed in the book of Deuteronomy is remember, like the power of memory. If we can just remember the important things in the moment, we need to remember them.
It's like half the job is done, you know? Like sometimes we call it awareness. Sometimes we call it,
Bryan: Yeah,
Ryan: you know, just remembering to trust God, to know who he is and let that guide who we're going to be in that moment. And so like remembering the blessings of the past, remembering that, you know, you've been at this moment of temptation or trial or doubt before, something very similar has happened when you weren't sure God was gonna get you, like how is this gonna work out?
And guess what? He was faithful and you made it through. And if you can remember that in those hard moments, then, you know, it's worth the time of establishing that our own version of a memorial stone, like even if it's just a note to self, like we sometimes say, note to self, God got me through, you know?
And then, like you say, to teach others, to bring memories to others, other future generations about the things that have come past, which brings to the surface the importance of those intergenerational relationships in the church where past generations can help us to see things that we don't see about, you know, the battles of the past, the blessings of the past, the challenges, and the perspective that you can have over time.
there's probably an opportunity for all of us to think about some way that we can set a memory in place. Adrienne made me a little rock that I have next to our coffee pot that's just a memory, not of a particular moment, but a reminder to pray, to give thanks in that moment every time I see it. And the more you have those kinds of little an Ebenezer, you could say, a stone of help that you could raise somewhere in your life, you know, the better.
Bryan: I love that. And you're not talking about Scrooge there, obviously. You're talking about the word we sing about in our songs sometimes and don't often remember what that story is.
So yeah, I like a little rock to remember something by.
Reach Out: Marking Your Jordan Moments
Bryan: That's actually, I was gonna maybe get into this later in the episode, but let's do it now. Let's do a little reach out question. So I was gonna ask you, how do you intentionally mark major moments of transition in your life? So yeah, you have a rock. How else have you marked a big transitional moment in your life?
Some spiritual marker, some way for you to remember what's going on. How else might you do that or have you done that?
Ryan: Well, there are physical objects that we have in our home, you know, like, you know, the Billingtons had everybody when we left Phoenix. So I'm staring at it right now. Signed this big plate, yeah, that everybody wrote beautiful messages of love on.
And so that's always displayed prominently to, you know, let us know of the love and support we experienced in a previous season that still followed us here. But for me, besides the physical objects, it's about taking the time to sort of name it and process it, both myself learning the lessons, having gratitude, having opportunities to see where things are different now than they were. And usually it's me and Adrian doing that work together where we try to set aside time, whether it's, like you said, at the end of the year, processing where we are and where we wanna go next, or just different moments, you know, whenever we're in difficult times, noticing, well, where is this coming from?
How are we trying to force something that it isn't time for anymore? Or, you know, as the kids transition to a different place, like, so much of it is just the seeing of the threshold or of the river that you didn't, you know, you can walk across and get your feet all wet and not even realize it if you're not paying attention. I just marched across a little shallow crossing and it's helpful to just be aware of it. You and I try to do this.
We just did our retreat and, doing those things in community and personally before the Lord, working through them, I think is the most important part.
Bryan: yeah. I think about our retreats that we've done in the past and this last one a few weeks ago. I think it was super helpful for me. You know, I have in my office now, I've got a section of my bookcase that's basically just dedicated to reminders.
Ryan: Mm,
Bryan: You know, it's all little things that people have given me, little notes that kids have handed me, you know, after a sermon or something, or just the cards that people have sent me in this big transition that we've made. And it's all just like in a spot in my office, just kind of as a reminder there. You know, there've been moments, big moments where we've let two houses go in the past couple of months.
And, you know, one of them was the one that my dad started building, and then we finished building. And, you know, I just remember, like, standing in the basement of that house and just putting my hand on the foundation and praying. just these moments where you know that, like, you've been led somewhere for a reason.
And just to, like, stop and honor God, honor the moment, remember what had happened there, remember what it made possible for you. And, like, I don't get overly emotional about physical, tangible things, but I do, you know, I do look back with a lot of clarity on what God was doing in the events of my life and the people that he brought into my life, and to know that, like, it's good to stop and to honor those things, to thank God for those things, to thank those people for the way that they, you know, showed you something you never would have seen on your own, and, like, I just think it's really helpful at a moment of transition, and, you know, I think it's helpful to stop and just to know that this is why you're here, this is who got you here, and this is what Joshua's story really was, this is what God wanted the people to do, just to remember him, don't forget, just don't forget.
And if I can keep reminding myself of all the people and the circumstances, and, of course, of the God who's led me to this moment, I mean, that's really where I'm gonna set myself up pretty well for the future, I think.
Ryan: that's quite a thing to let go of that house and that space that has tremendous meaning beyond the place itself.
I have similar thoughts about our last house that me and my dad kind of re, and Uncle Merle and everybody totally rebuilt. And, you know, looking around this house at things that we worked on together.
You know, I was just in a space, so we went to this campground that we hadn't been to in six or seven, eight years, something like that, this past weekend. And it was just so eerie and strange seeing this place that we were at. And it's where we were whenever my wife found out that her brother had gone into, had had a stroke and gone into a coma. And we thought he was, everybody thought he was done.
And the fact is, whenever all the doctors said, shut the, it's time to talk about shutting the machines off, right in those moments, as those conversations were happening, he woke up.
Bryan: oh, wow, yeah,
Ryan: he is serving God. And, you brought back to a place and you see God's faithfulness and you remember, oh, he's still, he can do that in any moment that I face today too.
You know, like whatever I'm facing in this day, he was faithful then when we didn't know what it was gonna be. And we were in a crisis And so that's the power of an object, a place, a something you wrote down in your Bible once, you know, Michael and I on that sermon, or on the sermons series that we did, talked about having memories with God.
And I loved that conversation, you know, memories and prayer that like I remember. And he was
Wrap-Up and Next Episode
Ryan: faithful in those moments .
Bryan: like the weird confluence of nostalgia and providence and prayer, and, like, putting it all together is just a reminder to yourself that
in our lives, we have these moments where, before God, we need to just stop and acknowledge what God is doing and appreciate that and share it with other people.
So thanks for sharing your Jordan moments with me. And yeah, I think this has been an interesting conversation.
Geektober And Next Episode
Bryan: I don't know if it's a season kickoff that you expected, but hey, we're back and we're in a new season of life and things are exciting and we're excited to begin this new fall lineup that we have in episodes. And guess what? Definitely here, we are in the midst of September, but coming right after this is October. And so if last year was any indication, do you know what's coming up, Bryan?
Do you know what we're up to? Oh,
Ryan: Well, we've got Geektober coming up next. And so that'll be fun. That's a time that we started last year of, you know, getting into some topics that maybe we normally wouldn't preach on or do a long study about, but they're still biblical and interesting topics, maybe a little extra nerdy or are off the beaten path.
But so we'll talk about things like spiritual beings and, you know, Bible archeology, and we'll get another conversation or two about AI and, you know, some things like
Bryan: Here come the robots. Yeah, I'm excited about that. I've looked forward to Geektober for a very long time. There were a lot of things that we wanted to talk about last year. We just didn't get a chance to because Geektober is only so long. And so now this year we're gonna come back to it.
And I think that's well said. It's definitely not the stuff we'd preach about, but off the beaten path enough to have a conversation about. I thought it was funny though, as a transition into this next episode, what we're gonna do on our next conversation, Joshua chapter five, right after this moment, or kind of in the midst of this moment of transitioning over to the other side of the Jordan. Remember who Joshua meets in
Ryan: Ah, the commander of the Lord's
Bryan: The commander of the Lord's army. And you know, lots of debate on who that might be. But talking about spiritual beings on the next episode for our very first Geektober kickoff, I am excited for that. And I have no idea what we're gonna be getting into, but it's gonna get super weird and nerdy. So I'm excited about it.
Outro And Blessing
Bryan: Thanks everyone for tuning in to the Bible Geeks podcast. You can find us on our website at biblegeeks.fm.
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