"Kind of a Downer"
EPISODE 221
Reflect on What’s Not Working in Life
We’ve talked all season about leading gospel conversations with unbelievers. This week we introduce the first of a series of discussions we’ve designed to take someone from Square One to conversion. In this kickoff episode, we ask why things are so broken in our world. Where did we go wrong? Recognizing the problem is the first step toward understanding the solution Jesus offers. We discuss the bleak picture in Isaiah 59:1-13 and the Heavy Words the Bible uses for sin. After walking through the guided discussion, we take a Closer Look at some tips for leading a dialogue like this with someone in your life. We pray that as we shine a light on the gospel, God will use these discussions to expand his kingdom.
Takeaways
The Big Idea: Humanity has slipped into some terribly unhealthy patterns — and if we’re honest, we can see that brokenness in ourselves.
This Week's Challenge: Let’s watch this week for both healthy and unhealthy things in the world.
Episode Transcription
Kind of a downer of a question. Why is everything so great? No, I mean, why are things so bad and broken and where do we go wrong? Well, hello everyone and welcome to the Bible Geeks Podcast. This is episode 221. I'm Bryan Schiele. I'm Ryan Joy. And thanks so much everyone for tuning in. We are finally here. We have been talking about it for a very long time. This square one series begins now. And here on the podcast, we're going to go through over the next few episodes, these probably three most important conversations in this 13 session guided study. We're going to tackle three of them right off the bat. And each of these conversations focus on just a really powerful question. And here on today's episode, we're going to talk about why things are so messed up. And it's a great conversation to begin a discussion with somebody who's not yet a believer because I think that's really one of the best places to start when we're trying to make significant change. Yeah, it sounds a little depressing, I guess. It's kind of a downer of a question. Why is everything so great? No, I mean, why are things so bad and broken and where do we go wrong? But the power of a question like this is helping them to see the problem so that whenever we present the solution that Jesus brings, it has real meaning. And we've talked a lot about different places to start a conversation like this. You could talk about belief in God and the authority of the Bible and all these different things. But we believe that as Paul talks about in Romans 2.15, people have an innate morality and a sense of things are not right. I am not what I should be. The world is not what it should be. And as you help them to think bigger about that, not just about the consequences of sin, like death and all the badness that's out there, but about their own wrong turns and bad patterns, it can really be powerful. It makes me think of this quote from Paul in 1 Corinthians 14, 24 to 25, where he's talking about why we should speak the word clearly. And he says, "Whenever somebody comes among us in the church and hears the word spoken that way, an unbeliever or an outsider enters and is convicted by all. He is called to account by all. The secrets of his heart are disclosed and so falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you." And just like encountering, seeing what is wrong as God's word convicts us, it opens us up and lays us bare and then we're ready. If it pierces our hearts as the people on the day of Pentecost, if it hits us and we get it, then we're ready to hear how Jesus changes things, which is where we're going next. Absolutely. I really feel like when we get into a conversation with somebody, we're trying to be clear. We're trying to explain things in a way that makes sense to them. But as soon as they see the truth, then it's a game changer. It's an eye opener. And to understand where they were versus where they can be going, that's really what this is all about, I think. Yeah. And I think that it's best understood by kind of going through this process and we'll kind of go through this guided discussion and the five parts of it that we've kind of broken down. And at the end, we can talk about more. Maybe we can share some thoughts on if you were to lead a conversation like this, how we might recommend doing certain steps along the way. So for sure, if you're familiar with our guided studies that we've done in the past, this will seem very, very similar to a lot of that stuff. So what we're going to do is we're going to go through each of these sections together. We're going to play a little bit of audio and then talk about it. This will feel very familiar for some of our old podcast episodes. And then, yeah, we'll do some play by play, a little bit of a closer look segment at the end, talking through kind of the meta discussions around leading these conversations. So let us get into the kickoff here with our very first section. And that is the little jokey icebreaker hook. This is Square One. Why are things so messed up? Sitting in your doctor's office, you might explain how much your back hurts when you wake up in the morning. An increasingly common complaint as we get older, you'd expect them to ask more questions, maybe feel around or even do some scans. The last thing you'd want them to say might be, well, why don't you wake up in the afternoon instead? Really? It's almost as bad as telling them how much it hurts when you touch your arm and hearing then don't touch it as their remedy. Dad jokes are great, but when you're trying to get to the root of your aches, pains and more serious ailments, it's best to seek more professional guidance. So here's a question for you. When you notice an ailment, do you tend to run to the internet for self-diagnosis, schedule an appointment or ignore it and hope it goes away? So the icebreaker question that we asked there was when you notice an ailment, do you tend to run to the internet for self-diagnosis, schedule an appointment or ignore it and hope it goes away? And my answer to this goofy icebreaker question is absolutely. I go to the internet for self-diagnosis. I want Google to tell me all of the things that are wrong and I want to present all of that information to my doctor and say, you know, I've figured out the solution for you, dear doctor, and please fix me or prescribe whatever you need to. It's probably not the best approach for sure. You've done half the work for them that you should get a discount, right? I should. WebMD got you halfway there. What do you want? We really did. I'm very different unless something forces me to slow down and deal with it. I tend to just keep moving and figure it'll work itself out and probably not the best health advice, but that's just how things tend to go for me. So from that conversation, we want to get into it and get a little deeper into the purpose and the main idea of what we're going to talk about. So let's get into it and reflect on what's not working in life. Maybe you face issues with money, relationships, health. Concerns about your marriage or kids, bitterness about your past, paralyzing fears about your future, addiction, depression, heartache, and the list goes on. And looking beyond ourselves, what are the world's most significant problems? What's going wrong here? We see poverty, disease, hatred and bigotry, political unrest and war, real issues, but not the root. We have a long history of misdiagnosing our condition and treating only the symptoms. We don't even see our situation, a chronic disease plaguing us almost from the beginning of human existence. In Matthew 9-12, Jesus said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick." In the next verse, he says that's why he came, to treat a kind of sickness. He didn't come to tell us how wrong we are, he came to heal us. So here's the big idea, humanity has slipped into some terribly unhealthy patterns. And if we're honest, we can see that brokenness in ourselves. But when you think about your life, is there an area where you've struggled or where you've seen a real need for change? Okay, so we close there with this question. When you think about your life, is there an area where you've struggled or seen a real need for change? And I certainly, the answer is of course, yes, the Lord has helped me through a lot in the past and has changed me in a lot of ways, but I'm still very much a work in progress. And one area I see an unhealthy pattern in myself lately is a compulsion toward distraction and staying overly connected. There are periods where I seem to break free of it and then sure enough, here I am back in a spiral, whether that's checking election stuff here recently or sports and entertainment or even Bible-y podcasts, it's better, it can be a healthier way, but still kind of part of this, I'd say near addiction sometimes to getting that dopamine hit of info. It's just like the phone comes up immediately or whatever, you get a pause and it's really something I need the Lord to help me get past and into a more Christ-like way of life. What about you? Well, before I answer my question, I've been there. I think all of us have been there, right? The need for distraction. What is my distraction du jour today? That could be a good segment on the show. I've struggled with that myself and mine is kind of similar to that actually. This terribly unhealthy pattern that I've slipped into over time and in an area where I really need to change and work on is, I don't know, I'll call it rumination, storymaking, being in my own brain. We've talked about it on the podcast so many times, but just the ability to spiral out of control, thinking about something and replaying a situation in my mind. I struggle with that. I really do. It's one of those areas where it's obvious that God can bring me out of that. I can focus more on prayer. I can focus more on my inner life and loving people and being more charitable with the way that I view people or just giving myself some grace, giving other people grace in the way that I think through things that happened and the ability to kind of spiral out about things. It leads to anxiety. It leads to all kinds of fear or whatever else, like all kinds of unhealthy things. And you really just start to realize how, you know, as the Bible talks about occasionally, how sick our brains can be from time to time, how, how really just untrustworthy they are and how my brain just really wants to lead me down the wrong path. Yeah. I think we both may have used the word spiral, you know? And, you know, it's like the quote from Jesus that to him who has more will be given and to him who doesn't have even what he has will be taken away. Yeah. And sometimes it feels like maybe it just in one area of your life or just, you know, all over you start worrying or doubting or down some darker destructive patterns of thought and actions. And then all of a sudden you don't recognize where you are and you just keep drifting. And the lever that I think of as like turning that to the other side where the more you have, the more you receive Mark four is where he says that. And he uses the word hear like to hear him over and over again. That's what that made me think of is I need to listen for the Lord and listen to the Lord and what he said to me in his word and what I know he wants for me. And that has the power to turn that thing around. And I think this really does tie in obviously to the passage we read there in Matthew nine verse 12. Obviously Jesus came for the sick. He's not unfamiliar with the sick, you know, as the great physician, he knows our weaknesses. He knows what we're going through and he's here for us. What an amazing thing, right? And for us to see that, for others to see that is so important. And maybe that leads us kind of nicely into the next part of this conversation where we dive right into the book. Centuries before Jesus birth, Isaiah wrote in Isaiah 59 one to 13 about people breaking their relationship with God, with one another, and even their own peace. Like the first readers of this passage, we might find ourselves needing help from God and wondering why he seems so distant. It's a pretty morbid poem, imagining people trying to feed and clothe themselves with snake eggs and spider webs. Thankfully, it's not all bad news as Isaiah looks forward to God stepping in later in the chapter. So read Isaiah 59 verses one to 13 together to better understand the sickness Jesus came to heal. After reading, take some time to discuss it. What strikes you about the picture Isaiah 59 one to 13 paints? Okay, so we don't often do this on the podcast. We don't often read like big long sections of scripture, but I think this part of the conversation calls for this, right? We've encouraged people to read Isaiah 59 verses one to 13 together and then to talk about it. So let's just do that. So I'll read the first few verses here of Isaiah 59 and then Ryan, you can close this thing out. Sounds good. It says, "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened that it cannot save or his ear dull that it cannot hear, but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood and your fingers with iniquity. Your lips have spoken lies. Your tongue mutters wickedness. No one enters suit justly. No one goes to law honestly. They rely on empty pleas. They speak lies. They conceive mischief and give birth to iniquity. They hatch adders eggs. They weave the spider's web. He who eats their eggs dies, and from one that is crushed, a viper is hatched. Their webs will not serve as clothing. Men will not cover themselves with what they make. Their works are works of iniquity, and the deeds of violence are in their hands. Their feet run to evil, and they are swift to shed innocent blood. Their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity. Desolation and destruction are in their highways. The way of peace they do not know, and there is no justice to their paths. They have made their roads crooked. No one who treads on them knows peace. Therefore, justice is far from us, and righteousness does not overtake us. We hope for light and behold darkness, and for brightness, but we walk in gloom. We grope for the wall like the blind. We grope like those who have no eyes. We stumble at noon as in the twilight. Among those in full vigor, we are like dead men. We all growl like bears. We moan and moan like doves. We hope for justice, but there is none. For salvation, but it is far from us. For our transgressions are multiplied before you, and our sins testify against us. For our transgressions are with us, and we know our iniquities. Transgressing and denying the Lord, and turning back from following our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart lying words. So we say here in this conversation, after reading takes some time to discuss it, what strikes you about the picture Isaiah 59 verses 1 to 13 paints? And for me, I just see how completely broken stuff is, right? I mean, you cannot read a passage like this without just seeing how broken stuff is. We all growl like bears. We moan and moan like doves. We hope for justice, but there is none. It's like, what better can describe my situation? And I think this is such a powerful verse because it helps me see that this is a problem that's existed for a very long time. And I love that we went back to Isaiah here, you know, just thinking about this as being a timeless problem that we all face. This transgression, the iniquity, the sin that we face, all these things here in these verses just highlight how really broken stuff is. And it really does serve to help open my eyes to the kinds of stuff we've been talking about here on the episode so far. Yeah. And I'm really glad we read it together because that was really humbling. I mean, it was really striking because those words are so powerful. One of the darkest pictures of sin in all the Bible, I think. I mean, obviously the most important thought is the separation from God that their sins has brought at the beginning of the chapter. But there are so many other striking images talked about what struck you. I was struck by the picture of us groping to touch the wall. Like when you're in a totally dark room and you're trying to make sure you're oriented, like, okay, where's the wall so I can walk along that? And, you know, that's us in life without the Lord and our sin and our ignorance. Like we have such terrible models that we imitate in the world. We have horrible patterns we fall into. And ultimately we are surrounded by sin and choose sin and yield to sin. And it's noon and yet to us, it's like twilight or even midnight, you know? So good. So yeah, I think this is a really helpful way to kind of like anchor this whole discussion, really in scripture here right in the center of it. And this is just the perfect passage to launch us right into the next section here. So let's get right into getting a little bit deeper. So are you ready to go deeper? Doctors often use clinical, technical words that seem impersonal until they become your disease. Like medical terms, some religious words don't seem to relate to real life. Like church words we wouldn't use any other time. But the matter isn't distant, invented, or theoretical. Until you're cured, it's your disease, the source of problems you're painfully aware of, and those you don't even realize. So that passage in Isaiah repeatedly used three words to describe the problem and help us understand our need for healing. The first is iniquity, our crooked heart disease. Iniquity envisions a twisted lifestyle and worldview. In the Bible's first pages, humanity receives every good gift and then perverts them all. Like a poorly hammered nail, we're all bent out of alignment. And the second word there is transgression, our shattered lives. In our transgression, we break apart what was once whole, in ourselves and in our relationships. And more importantly, we wreck our connection to God, smashing it into a million pieces like a brick through a window. The third word is sin, our chronic failure. Sin describes bad aim, like an archer who can't seem to hit the mark. It points to moral failure since all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 3 23, God gave us such potential and purpose. It's heartbreaking to think how off target we've gone. So these words name the dysfunction that defines so much of the human condition. Sin lays a heavy burden of guilt on us, and more bad choices seem to lurk around every corner. Sometimes it feels like our worst impulses, desires, and habits have more power over us than we do. It almost seems like too much to hope for that God would save us from all of this. So here's the big question. Do you see your need for Jesus to heal you from the afflictions you face? Okay, so the question that we asked there, I mean, it kind of answers itself in some ways. It's really a decision question, a thought question. Do you see your need for Jesus to heal you from the afflictions you face? And I really do. It's easy to forget how much work he has done to this point for me, in me, but I still need his mercy and love every day. I need him to keep showing me the way. So I see that need and this study really helps to highlight that. There's a tendency, and there has been a tendency in me for a long time, to try to solve this problem in my own ways. To think that I just need to knuckle down and get it all figured out. And there's an aspect to that that's absolutely true. When we talk about iniquity and transgression and sin, and there's a holy living aspect to all of this, where we understand that the brokenness of our lives needs to be addressed by the actions that we take. But at the same time, I am not capable of fixing these things in and of myself. It's not within man to direct his own steps. And I feel that very strongly, that Jesus is here to, as we talk about there in Matthew 9 verse 12, that he's here to heal those who are sick. And when I'm one who's sick, my tendency might be to go to Google and present all the information to my doctor. But man, I need to trust my doctor. - Yeah, I remember studying with a young man a couple of years ago that somehow, I don't know how he got in contact with me, but his thing was he did not want to become a Christian until he got everything sorted out in his life so that he was making the right choices and doing the right things. And then he wanted to be baptized. And I just kept trying to tell him, that's not how this works. - Yeah. - That's you don't fix yourself and then come to Jesus. You come to the Lord. And there's so many different things we could talk about about why that is and how that works. Some of it is just God and you don't try to explain it, but there's a lot that we see and we know that he does and that he provides for us. But absolutely, we need him. And he doesn't do it by himself. We have to, of course, we draw near to him and he draws near to us. We submit to him and he gives grace to the humble as James 4 talks about. But this conversation, of course, is really helping us to center our thinking on that need. And I guess that's where we'll wrap up, huh? With all this focus on our biggest problem, let's watch this week for both healthy and unhealthy things in the world. As you start the next conversation, take a moment to talk about what you noticed. It's hard to appreciate the good news without recognizing the bad news first. Our biggest problem, sin, is terminal. So we need salvation from sin and death. But as we'll start to see next time, God wants to heal us from the problems we discussed today and lead us into an abundant life with him. May the Lord help us look at our lives honestly and bless us as we come to Jesus for healing. All right, so as we thought through this conversation, you've sort of gotten a chance, maybe a window into the kind of discussion that Square One really is. If you're an astute podcast listener or a guided study user, you could probably see all the connections here and what we've been doing and what we've been putting in place. And I am really hopeful that these conversations will be helpful for you and for the person that you're sitting down to talk to. I know people are gonna get a lot out of this stuff. So let's enter into a little bit of a closer look here on some thoughts about leading these conversations. - Number one, perhaps you better take an away team down and have a closer look. - All right, so we started this whole thing off with a hook and the icebreaker in this kickoff, is it helpful to do these things in a lighthearted way to begin? I feel like it is. I, we get into some real meat here in this conversation, especially as it relates to sin and some really kind of dark stuff later on and in the readings and in our discussions about heavy words like iniquity and transgression and sin. I think starting it from like a real relatable place like illness and sitting in your doctor's office and yes, even dad jokes is kind of a helpful way. Now, honestly, if you wanna like twist this whole thing and you don't wanna use this hook and you wanna make a connection with the person in some other way, I think that's also useful. Like however you wanna start a conversation, beginning to think about issues and beginning to think about the way that we address these problems in our lives, I mean, go for it. - Yeah, absolutely. Be genuine to you and your relationship with them and how you're gonna connect. Try to build rapport. And that's what we're trying to do is just kind of connect. Not everything has to be super heavy all the time and we wanna connect and relationships matter as we're trying to work through these things with people. Use what will help you start. And then we went from that lighthearted connecting point into a discussion of the purpose. If you're showing up for the first time in this conversation, you're like, okay, what am I getting into? What is this? And so, we didn't wanna spend too much time before we got to here's what we're trying to do. - Yes. - And here's the question we're answering and here's the big idea. We wanted to get to Jesus like we always try to do early. It's short, but hopefully it gets them oriented. Here's where we are. Here's where you are on the map. Here's what we're doing. - And I think this purpose that we're dealing with here in this conversation is one of the best ones to start with, honestly, to reflect on what's not working in life. That's really the point. If you walk away from this conversation, having just thought a little bit more about what is broken, that's gonna really go a long way into getting somebody's wheels turning. Maybe it's not gonna result in immediate like aha moments, but for that thought process to start here in this beginning conversation is really super helpful. And for some who may not believe in God, who may not believe in the Bible or even know who Jesus is, I don't think it's a stretch to even bring up Jesus in this very, very first discussion. I feel like it's super helpful to bring up Jesus, not as some figure who is uncaring or who is over there, but as somebody who really cares. And this passage in Matthew 9 verse 12 connects the Savior with every single person you could ever want to talk to because all of us hopefully have felt sick from time to time. - And as we're gonna get into next time about like, what do you think of Jesus kind of idea, most people will either be undecided or they have a conclusion, but this starts to put him in front of them and say, okay, let's just examine his ideas just as he had a take on the world and on what he saw that needed to be fixed and how to do it. And you can examine that. And that has won people over for 2000 years to him, just examining his approach. And then there is a tried and true record of the story that he gives us of humanity, of how he came to save us and these truths, just changing people, just hitting people. And so, yeah, so I agree with you about getting into Jesus early. I think that's good. And we're gonna keep coming back to Jesus. And then from there, we are ready to get into the Bible. And that's whether they have a Bible, whether they are used to being in the Bible, we're gonna get them used to opening our Bibles. We don't wanna give them a million proof texts. We just want to get them used to opening the book and then to experience the power of God's word. And that's going to be like the power of anything that happens in these studies is going to be through God and his word is powerful. So we read that passage together here. You would read that passage and then discuss it. - Again, as I said in the conversation, what a great way to sort of anchor this whole conversation and center it around the Bible in a really relatable way, right? I think it is so important that we do not bowl people over with like a hundred proof texts or whatever. But reading one lengthy passage like this, especially at this moment in the conversation, I think it's super helpful. And I feel like this is the right passage. This is a great passage to get somebody connecting with the story of the Bible. And this open-ended question about asking people what strikes them about this picture in Isaiah 59 verses 1-13. I feel like that can go in a lot of different ways. You're not pigeonholing somebody into having to answer one way or another. It's just open. And this is where the conversational style of this whole thing, reasoning together with people is going to be really important. Being a really good listener for what they say, especially on the heels of sort of this reach out question that you just got done talking about in the previous section. You're starting to develop a more meaningful dialogue. And around this point in the conversation is where the next section really has to fit. Like if you were to jump into the deep end of like the heavy words of for sin here later on, I think it's going to miss the mark. No pun intended, but I'm bummed. (laughs) - Speaking of dad jokes. - Wow, part four though, going deeper. As we get into these heavy words, there's so much here. And we didn't even really scratch the surface in our conversation on the podcast here today, but like you could really just camp on these things and understand like this is brokenness and the Bible talks about brokenness and God wants to heal us from brokenness. And you can see all of that here in this section, which I really appreciate. And we didn't get into like the Hebrew lexicon and the, all the like backstory and stuff, but like for most people, I think this is going to be a really soft on-ramp to thinking about Bible words. - Yeah, I think most people have probably heard like the word sin or know that like some people are really concerned about sin, but maybe it's a put-off or a strange idea or whatever, but to start to think about it more hopefully helps. And one of the things that we try to do throughout is get each one of these questions and sections is kind of accessing a different, I guess you could say, a different part of our brain, a different way of thinking. And so we're trying not to mix those, but we would encourage the person who's leading the conversation if you're guiding somebody through it, especially in these ones where someone might need to collect their thoughts or ones where the question is asking them to open up, encourage you to kick things off by opening up yourself and be prepared to do that. And think about what you might be wanting to share so they can start to feel comfortable thinking through these things. Because the word is gonna work on their heart, but as we open up, as we ask questions and think with them about these things and reason, and they say, "Hey, what does this word mean?" Or, "Why would Isaiah say this? "This doesn't make sense." And we can think with them about it. The more they're comfortable thinking together about it, the more productive these conversations are gonna be. - And as you're starting to see the progression of these conversations, again, if you're familiar with the guided study format that we've done for a long time, this'll look pretty similar. But I'm thinking here that the rest of our sessions in square one really gonna be formatted like this. So if you get familiar with this sort of like easy on-ramp in the beginning and then the crescendo into this more complicated discussion, as we wrap these things up though, I think this is exactly where the challenge fits in. And every conversation, you wanna have something that can walk away and do. And so we said here that with all our focus on the biggest problem, let's watch this week for both healthy and unhealthy things in the world and to check in with them on that, on the next conversation you have with them. So when you sit down next time, you know, just ask that question like, "Did you notice anything this week that is broken? "Did you notice anything that you feel like is healthy "and working well?" And just to touch base on those things, follow up with those kinds of questions, maybe this specific challenge for the next conversation, hopefully this will just get them thinking along these lines. - Yeah, absolutely. And you probably noticed we're using a lot of other language around sin to help them realize that people talk about this all the time, but hopefully then they're starting to see all of this as the problems that Jesus came to solve, all the bad things that are in the world, all the bad things that people do ultimately as we destroy ourselves with these choices. This is the problem that we're trying to deal with. And I wanted to note one other thing about leading this, and that is to allow people to disagree with you or even with what we say and just reason with them. You know, like if they are saying, "I don't really think that that's right, "what Bryan and Ryan just said, "not that they'll know who we are, "but what that video or whatever that question card said." You know, just think with them, "Hey, why do you think that?" Well, would you consider this idea? What do you think of that? And just think together and give it space, give it air. As Augustine said, "The truth is a lion. "You don't have to defend it, unleash it, "it'll defend itself." You know, I love that quote. And it will powerfully do its work. - Isaiah says, "The word of God never returns to him "without accomplishing what he sent it for." - I love it. All right, so this has been our very first conversation in our Square One series. And this is Checkpoint One. This is dealing with this question, "Why are things so messed up?" And on our next conversation here on the podcast, we're gonna get into our Checkpoint Two conversation in this Square One series, talking about how does Jesus change things? If you wanna know where we're headed next, we have to go from a conversation about broken things to Jesus putting back together the pieces. So in 2025, we're really excited to be putting all these sessions together, sessions one through 13. We're gonna have these conversations with a bunch of extra resources, like videos, study guides, maybe even some extra cool little cards that you can throw down on the table when you're having these conversations with people. We're still figuring it out. But right now, we do wanna just give everyone a heads up. That's what's coming up on the horizon. But for now, we're doing these first three checkpoints and we're really excited about these. Thank you so much, everyone, for tuning in to the Bible Geeks Podcast. You can find us on our website at biblegeeks.fm. You can find show notes for this episode in your podcast player of choice or at biblegeeks.fm/221. You can also follow along with this Square One series. We're doing the first three checkpoints here. A lot of meat, a lot of stuff to work through. We're really excited about it. Thank you for tuning in. And until next episode, may the Lord bless you and keep you. Shalom.```