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EPISODE 219
Get to Know Square One
This week we take a Closer Look at our Adventures in Evangelism, sharing some of the approaches we’ve used and what we’ve learned. As usual, we start out by talking about Christ, learning from what Jesus Said about the connection between discipleship and disciple-making. We explore the metaphor of “fishing for men” from Matthew 4:19 and delve into effective evangelism approaches. We also explain the upcoming Square One series, designed to guide evangelistic conversations.
Takeaways
The Big Idea: Prayer and personal connection are powerful tools in sharing our faith with those who don’t yet know Jesus.
Episode Transcription
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Ten words in English. That's good podcasting right there. That's just good airtime. Wow, thank you for counting for us. I appreciate that. Yeah. Well, hello, everyone, and welcome to Bible Geeks Podcast. This is episode 219. I'm Bryan Schiele. I'm Ryan Joy. And thanks so much, everyone, for tuning in. We are sort of right in the sandwich, I suppose, of the chosen episodes. We're going to do one on the next conversation. But here on today's episode, we thought it would be appropriate to set the stage a little bit, talking about this whole square one guided study that we're going to be starting in just a few episodes. We're really excited about it. It's something that we've been planning on for over a year now, I guess. But this series that's coming up is something that we're really excited about. We wanted to talk in a little bit more detail about what this whole square one journey is all about. Yeah, I like that word journey. We might use that a few times, because it's kind of like, that's what evangelism is. And this is kind of our next step, I think, in the journey, is to have a tool like this that we can work with. And hopefully, it's helpful to others. And it seems kind of interesting how this whole season that we've been doing here, since we kicked back up after the summer break, this whole season has been focused on evangelism. From basically the first episode, all the chosen episodes that we've done have really kind of centered themselves around evangelism. And so we're going to continue that trend here, because sharing the gospel is so important, as we're going to talk about here in our first segment, which is Jesus Said. And we're going to a place in Matthew where Jesus has some important words about evangelism. Yeah, in Matthew 419, as he's calling some fishermen, he says, "Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men." So-- Lot said, and there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. 10 words in English. That's good podcasting right there. That's just good airtime. Wow, thank you for counting for us. I appreciate that. Yeah. 10 words. 10 powerful words. What do you take from that, Bryan? Well, it's funny that you started counting the words, because that was actually my insight here, was that it is amazing to me how Jesus is able to summarize in such a concise way the thing that-- we've talked about for episodes and episodes, and people have written books and books about-- talking about evangelism, we want to talk about all the details, all the ins and outs. We've sort of nodded to the tips and tricks and things like that. But Jesus here just says, follow me, and I'll make you fishers of men. And just such a simple phrase, this idea of fishers of men encapsulates the entire thing about evangelism, about what our job is. If you think about fishing, it very rarely comes down to the fisherman's skill. It's really about the opportunities that are coming to the fisherman that he may not even know about. There is skill involved, but sometimes the best fisherman is not going to be able to catch the fish. And then sometimes the worst fisherman is going to get lucky and catch a lot of stuff. And so I think that's a helpful reminder. When I'm thinking about the work of evangelism, fishing for men is really-- it's kind of more the Lord's work than it is my own. But obviously, I play a part in it as I go out. Other times, you think about the patience that's involved. You go out fishing, and you're just waiting. You don't just walk out there and rip the fish out of the water and walk away immediately. It's going to take time. It's going to take patience. And if you really even think about this metaphor a little bit deeper, maybe off into analogy land, you think about people being captured. So you're pulling somebody out of their current situation to be captured or taken captive by someone. Jesus wants to take people captive, not in a negative way, obviously, but in a positive way in order to bless them and benefit them. He wants to capture them. He wants to own them. And that's what we're helping to accomplish here, by pulling people out of their lives of sin, the lostness that they exist in, pulling them out to be a slave of Christ, which is not a bad thing. This is a positive thing we're calling people to do. Just in this simple idea of fishing for men, there's so much depth there that I feel like all he has to do is say that one thing. And it just makes so many connections in just the powerful way that Jesus is able to teach. I like that idea. That's a very biblical idea. Throughout the Old Testament, this idea of the Messiah is going to capture, going to take all of these prisoners, not just captives, were captivated by Jesus and His love and His goodness and were drawn to Him. And it's like you are called to Him, and immediately you're called to a calling to call others. It's like the Great Commission, where Jesus has all authority. You have your allegiance to Him, and now you're immediately told to bring others to Him. Follow me, I'll make you fishers of men. And they go together. To follow Him is to do that, is to be a fisher of men, to do what He did, bringing people to Him. But in between, following Him and being a fisher of men is the work of Jesus. How will they become fishers of men? Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. He's going to show them, and us, the way. He's going to make possible the change in ourselves and in others through His work. He's the vine, as John 15 says. He's the one through whom we can do nothing. He's the source. He's the power. He's the everything. And I keep leaning more and more into those truths that you-- they're like the basic ones, as we always talk about-- that you just more and more realize the basic ones are kind of the only ones. It's just you're deepening them more and more and hanging on to them more and more, that the essence of discipleship and disciple making is in leaning on Him and not trying to use our own strength and strategies and cleverness. But it's just more and more praying and more and more trusting the power of the message and the power of the Lord bringing us together with the people we're supposed to be brought together with and helping us find the words and all of those kinds of things. So let's just roll this conversation about evangelism right into our next segment, which we like to call A Closer Look. Number one, perhaps we better take an away team down and have a closer look. Aye, sir. Dr. Crusher, join me in transporter room three. All right, transporter room three is activated, and we are ready to go into a closer look in the adventures in evangelism. And we're going to be talking about our Square One series coming up here in a little bit. But just broadly speaking, evangelism is such an important job that we're all called to do and that we need to get good at. Maybe let's ask a couple questions of each other, and we'll kind of go back and forth here as we take a closer look at just this cool thing that we get to experience together in evangelism. So the first question is, where do you feel you are in your journey towards effective evangelism? This feels almost like a reach out question if we want to get a little personal. It's a very reach out right from the beginning, yeah. I don't feel like I'm very far along. I feel like it's something that I'm just constantly aware of and have been for whatever, 30 years, just constantly seeking, sponging, trying to drink in anything that I can find, whether it's talking to people, listening, watching, reading, and then a lot of doing. And that's the most helpful thing. And it's like the idea-- and in a lot of things, I guess, you keep realizing the more you know, the more you realize how little you know. And the heart of the whole thing is-- this goes with what we were just talking about, of leaning on the Lord. But prayer is such a fundamental part of it. And just praying and being available. And as soon as you put yourself into that place of the unknown, giving up control-- and I keep thinking, for some reason, I'm thinking of the last Indiana Jones and the last crusade, the step onto the bridge that's invisible. As soon as you start stepping onto that, I trust in you. I don't know how this is going to go. But I'm taking a step. And I'm acting. And Lord, I know you're with me. I'm just trusting you to get me to the next place. That's when something is happening. God is working. And I'm just-- like we just said, I'm just a part of that work. But I like that we call this adventure. There is scariness. And there is-- I like to be able to settle in and know where I am and have some control. But it's an adventure that is-- there is a lot of joy and life. And it's a blessing to be a part of other people in big ways and small ways getting closer to the Lord. And now I'm just thinking the penitent man shall pass. That's all I'm thinking about. I love that example, though, of stepping out onto the invisible bridge. Because that's really-- I think from my perspective, that's where I am. I feel like I'm definitely far from where I want to be with this whole work of evangelism. I want to be doing more, which is why I'm really hopeful that all these things we talk about in this Square One series coming up is just going to be a good reminder for me to get out there and take action like we've been talking about. Yeah, so as you think about all of these different things that you've done through the years, you can overemphasize tools and strategies. But that's a part of what we're thinking about. So what are some things that you've used through the years? And how have things worked out? What have you learned through it all? Yeah, I have probably started out with what some of my peers or some of the people close in my inner circle have also done, those open Bible study handouts. Was it Ivan Stewart who did those? I don't remember. But there was a series of colorful handouts. And it's actually when our evangelist Ken Leach, who reached out and talked to me when I was first baptized, that's what we went through together. And it was an interesting way of presenting the gospel. I really enjoyed it at the time. But I feel like that kind of a tool-- it's very old school. It's very circle the boxes and move on and these kinds of questions and yes, no, yeah, yes, no, those kinds of things, which I appreciate that you're reading through. And there's a plan and there's a guide. But I'm not entirely sure that I would feel comfortable using that tool out in the world. So that's one thing that I've done personally. I've also experienced it myself. As I think we talked about in some previous episodes, in the past when I've had conversations with people, I've gone through a study of one of the gospels, mostly John, because I love John, and then getting into the book of Acts with them and folding these two gospels together. A powerful combination for sure, John and Acts, but then also Mark is a really good introduction. Getting people just going through a study of a gospel and maybe the book of Acts or something else like that, I think is helpful because it addresses a lot of questions. It explains a lot of things. But again, even that is probably not as directive as maybe it could be. But I don't know, what about you? Yeah, well, I've done those too, and I think there's real strength to those approaches. I really like the idea. I mean, what's your favorite gospel to start with? They're all good. And I go back and forth on all of them. And Luke and Acts go together. But Luke is the longest book in the New Testament, so you're at it for a while. But that is also kind of part of the point of doing that kind of approach. And we know that we're in it for the long haul, and we're introducing people to the Lord, and we're working through it. Yeah, I mean, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Acts, and then continue the song, right? But starting with Jesus is a really good thing, and starting with being in the Word together, just reading out loud and then talking about it. I've done that a lot. I've definitely used the open Bible study quite a bit and a lot of other tools like that, where it's like a format that you're working through, and it gets you right into a text. It has people process and make a decision about what it means, and then ultimately make a decision about Christ. And so there's that, and it's directed, and I think there is a sense of control that you have, less open-ended questions, less ways for things to go off track, and sometimes you really wanna pin somebody down because you can't seem to keep them from just going all over the place. So there's some benefit to that. You lose a lot, in my opinion, in a text whenever you just read a verse and try to get one thing, and you don't get the context, and you don't get the story. What's happening in Acts 2.38 is different than what's happening in 1 Peter 3.20 and 21, and what's different than all these Acts 22.16. As far as just if you're thinking about repentance and baptism and kind of those verses, or John 3.16 and the conversation that's happening there, originally those passages were written to be part of something, to be read together. And so I think there's some value in settling into a text and a broader piece of the Bible and letting the flow of it, and what's happening there have all the power that the Holy Spirit put into it, but that doesn't mean it's invalid to do it this way. I mean, it's conveying truth. I used a presentation in the booklet that a lot of people have used the big picture of the Bible, I've used that before. Again, just trying to find a way. I actually also put my own presentation about 15 years ago together. You remember I took this ball of yarn and spread it out? And I was gonna mention that 'cause I've actually used that conversation in a conversation with somebody getting started talking about the Bible and explaining that stuff to them. I actually used that exact same presentation to kind of walk through the Bible as a ball of thread. There's a thread that runs through the Bible and it really does get you in an hour or whatever, a little more maybe through the whole Bible and touching on every passage and what all of the story is and all the different periods in the story. There's a lot of different pieces like that that I've used. I think there's value in a lot of different ones, especially if you view everything as there's no magic bullet, the gospel, and especially when you're first starting out in trying to figure out, okay, where do I start? Sometimes having some kind of a framework is what you need and there's a lot of different passages you can go to, ideas to get to the heart of the gospel. - I totally agree with you. I think there are so many different tools out there. And it's funny because we're sort of centering this conversation around Square One, which is this upcoming series, and we haven't even yet got to talking about Square One, but we're sort of setting the stage. Where are we? Where have we been? What have we used in the past? And actually that leads to this question, which is what have you learned about what works with different situation and does personal preference play into it? What kind of approach has worked best for you? And so we'll talk through this, really just think as we're talking through these things, like this is the reason why we're coming into this Square One series. - So for me, formality, a focus just on the tool, just on the information has sometimes created more of a disconnect and drained some of the life out of the interaction and the profound truths and stories that I'm wanting to share. Years ago, Berry Kercheville wrote an article in Focus Magazine, and we could put a link to this in the show notes about what he called manipulative and mechanical approaches to evangelism. And that sounds pretty condemning. Really trying to point at any particular thing as a method, it was really helpful and resonated with my experiences. Just reading that article almost like validated, and let me settle in to what I had been finding made sense in this work. The main idea of that article is that when we wanna create disciples who keep growing in the Lord and they're not just baptized and fall away or disappear, that we need to take a long form approach with people, reason with people with the scriptures. And it's not me facing you above you, it's you and me next to each other looking together at the scriptures and thinking about our own lives and God's word and how powerfully it can change our lives. - I think that's a really good way to say it. I feel like the formality sometimes can really get in the way, although it is a comfortable situation to have a real clear path like we're going to do this, then we're going to do that, and then we're going to say this. It's like, my answer to this question, what have you learned about what works in different situations, is just that there's such a huge value in breadcrumb questions that help lead people through their own thoughts. And that rigid structure though, I think is always going to come across wrong. I feel like every time I get into something where it's like, okay, I've got 135 slide PowerPoint presentation that we have to get through, even though it doesn't apply to you. Like if I have to do that, if I have to present the gospel that way to somebody, I am just going to be apologizing for it left and right. There's something about tailoring a conversation to somebody and to their current situation that just feels so much like what Jesus did. Jesus in his conversations with people, and we're going to talk about this in upcoming episodes for sure, he met them where they were. He told fishermen about fishing for him. Like he told a woman who was thirsty at a well about living water. It's like finding somebody's situation and connecting with it in a meaningful way without all the rigidity. Like I have to accomplish X, Y, and Z right now. Reasoning with people is absolutely what this is really about. And feeling fresh, feeling relevant to somebody, feeling genuine and sincere, that's really my goal, I think. And that's the approach that has worked best for me. That I think is leading us into this whole concept of square one and what this whole thing is about. - Yeah, like without further ado, right? Like what is square one, Bryan? What's the idea, what's the structure? What is the actual thing? - I keep thinking about it like a game board in my mind. I don't know why that is, but you know, the whole idea of calling-- - We were drawing it out that way in our minds, right? - Yeah, exactly. - Like it was helpful, yeah. - If you think about like a game board where you're just leading through somebody, but you gotta start somewhere, right? Like everybody doesn't start at the same place, but everybody starts somewhere. And I think one step at a time, one question at a time, everything is focused around a question. Everything is focused around a broad general goal of helping somebody understand what is broken in their life, how Jesus is the solution, and what a life of being a hope-filled disciple looks like. What does it cost to be a disciple? What is Jesus calling us to do? All these things that we start to see in wanting to be disciple makers, we show up with our whole selves, we listen, we engage. Like you were just talking about, we're side-by-side with people, sharing with them, leading them in these conversations. But really the whole goal is just about asking good questions like almost like this breadcrumb kind of style question that you drop in front of somebody and you just let them meditate on it and let them think about it. Like we've been talking about, there is not a magic bullet, one size fits all kind of approach, but having a loose goal in mind, having a loose outline of where you want somebody to go and what you want them to understand at the end of a conversation with them, I think is so huge. It's a series of conversations like 13 sessions. And if you can get all 13 in with somebody, if somebody's willing to sit down with you that often and talk about these things and ask these kinds of questions and let you get personal with them and let them get personal with you, that would be awesome. However, there is also a shortcut to this, which is like a typical game board move. If you want to have a shorter conversation with somebody, really we've geared like the first three conversations to be kind of like the core, which we'll talk about in a little bit. But if you really only have a short amount of time to talk to somebody, I think square one is designed to let you have like three really simple conversations with somebody to kind of get them to the place where maybe they're starting to think about things more. They're starting to ask more questions and that I think is gonna be a real helpful thing in having these sorts of discussions with people about their soul, about salvation, about who Jesus is and really everything else. - Yeah, you were talking about the power of Jesus questions, like he's constantly asking questions and that is such a critical part of his style of how I've found that I grow and learn and what I think creates the breakthroughs often with people as we're working through things with them and getting towards these huge life decisions, huge changes in worldview and perspective that the scriptures bring. First off, it's meant to be a conversation and conversations have a life of their own. So it can't be meant to constrain and control. But most of us want some clarity about where to start and some signposts to help you stay oriented to that goal that you're leading them closer to Christ. And like, okay, I think it's time to talk about sin. And I think at some point while we were talking through this early on, you said it's more of a compass than a map and that's helpful to me as like a definition of what we're trying to offer here and what I want. And so it's mainly a series of those passages, those questions, those thoughts. We want it ultimately to be flexible but the flexibility comes the more you get comfortable with it. - I like that idea of being a compass more than a map. And the reason why I think of it that way is just so much of what we want is like a prescriptive, like step by step, do this, then do that, then do this other thing. It's the 135 slide PowerPoint really, we want that 'cause it's easy, right? But I think for the power in these conversations to really grow and develop into something, it is so much about showing up, being present, listening, engaging, sharing of your own self, bringing yourself to the table, opening up about your own situation. And that is an impossible thing to prescribe in a step by step sort of thing. Okay, now this is where you start to get soft and gushy with each other. It's like, no, you just, you lead these conversations, let them flow naturally. But like you were talking about having some signposts along the way so that you can say, no, this is what I wanna accomplish, this is where I want to be. I think it's super helpful. So what is it that you want people to know about Square One that maybe we haven't talked about? 'Cause there's probably a lot more and maybe some people are like, what on earth is this thing? What are we doing here? Like, what is it that you want people to sort of walk away from this conversation, understanding about what's coming up next? - Yeah, well, some of the listeners who've sort of been with us for a while will remember the year long discipleship conversations we had that we called cross training. That was kind of a watershed moment for me. We spent a lot of time with that, thinking about how do you take someone from point A to point B in developing them as disciples? And what are some of the core principles, practices, beliefs, all these things that we want to get across and just developing something that could train people. But that's once you're a disciple and once you're ready to get to that place. And we realized we're talking to a lot of people that are not ready for cross training, that we want to have these conversations that just start from square one, right? That start from ground zero, how do we go and get someone to cross training, so to speak, to actually developing them as disciples? And it's all of a piece, it all goes together, but we were starting two miles down the road and we want to start at the beginning of the journey with this. And so it's something we made for ourselves. And the people that we're trying to help with evangelism, I teach a lot of classes here at North on evangelism. I'm working with the congregation, trying to equip them to do this work of evangelism with all the people that they're talking to. We're constantly in conversations with, we just baptized two the other day, which was awesome by the way, that I was minimally involved in, though I did one of the baptisms. It was members that were just talking to coworkers and it's just, how do you offer something that helps people? And this is also not meant to be a finished product, like we're gonna roll something out in the next few weeks and boom, there you go. Think we would welcome the wisdom, the tweaks, the critiques, the experience of others. We'll probably keep thinking about it, keep using it, keep learning. And I think it's worth saying that it's probably not for everyone. And that the gospel is the thing. The more this tool fades to the background or even starts getting ignored and moved past as you get comfortable guiding these conversations, maybe I won't say the better, but that's probably a good sign that you're focusing on the most important things. I mean, it's fine if this is the compass you use forever, but as long as you're just keeping the focus on teaching the whole council of God and working people forward in it, it's okay if this gets less and less important. But it's kind of like we had a series a while ago called Training Wheels. Think of this as evangelism training wheels, right? That might be a way to another analogy land metaphor to think about it with. - I want people to walk away understanding that square one is not like another tips and tricks manual. It's a general guideline about some good conversations, some good questions you can have. I think the best tools are the ones that you eventually ignore. It's like the ones that you just internalize and they become sort of a way that you think through things. Maybe if you're not going through it in exact detail or anything like that, but it's like, okay, if you have a question about what is the Bible all about or like what is resurrection really and why does it impact my faith? Like, oh yeah, I have a conversation for you. I've got a place where I can pull from and draw some insight and some questions from. Like somebody may really need that step by step, real clear, do this, do that, say this kind of approach. That is not what this is. That's the kind of thing that you feel you need right now, then probably square one is not going to be the most applicable thing in your situation. But the more comfortable you get with people, I think about like the demon possessed man and the Samaritan woman, as they were basically able to just run out and tell people their own story. Like that has a lot of basis in what square one is. And so, really thinking about making the connection with people, opening up, being vulnerable, letting them understand what your story is as they think through their own. And structurally, I think it's helpful for people to understand that like here on the podcast upcoming, this season, we're gonna do three sessions of the square one guided study. And that's like the core conversations, right? It's gonna talk about basically why your life is broken. What is it about our situation before we come to the Lord that is wrong? Dealing with that, dealing with sin, shining light on people's situation to help them understand this is where you are and this is why life is broken. And oh, by the way, the second conversation then leads into Jesus solving that greatest need and stepping in and understanding that Jesus is able to take care of the brokenness of our life and put the pieces back together. And then the last conversation in that three session core, I guess, is really all focused on understanding what life is as a disciple. Why is it that we should be following Jesus? And what is that gonna cost us in the long run? Counting the cost is a big deal for people in thinking through their faith. And those three conversations are gonna be the core of it all. And there's lots of other stuff surrounding that in those 10 conversations that are coming after it, we're gonna pick that up in 2025. And in our next season, I suppose, we'll finish the square one series, get all the details fleshed out, have a whole guided study put together and make it available for download. And we're even talking about possibly putting together a set of cards that you can work through with people as you actually wanna like throw them down on the table and start working through some of these conversations and questions as like a tangible physical thing. You know, we're thinking about that. So if any of that sounds interesting to you, then square one is coming and we're excited about it. - Yeah, that was a good summary. Yeah, I mean, man, I'm ready. I'm ready for it, but we wanna do it well. Like you said, we've been thinking about it a long time and we wanna piece it together and put it out there in a way that makes sense. Be patient with us as we put that out there. If nothing else, even if it's not a tool that you wanna use, I think you'll find the conversations really valuable because they're gonna center on the most important things in life. - I feel like in some of these guided studies that we've done as we've walked through them in the past, you know, we've sort of been like, this is an example of a study like that you might have and we don't wanna do that. You know, going forward, like one of us doesn't need to pretend to be an unbeliever in these conversations as we talk to each other. So that's why we'll kind of do a little behind the scenes. Like, why is this an important question to ask somebody? You know, what would you do if they said this? And really just talking through all the motivation for why we're putting these things together in the way that we are, hopefully will be helpful for you as it has been for me so far thinking through these things. So let's get into our final segment here. If we haven't gotten touchy feely already, let us then reach out. ♪ Reach out, reach out and touch someone ♪ - I prefer to think of it as being real, Bryan. Not touchy feely so much as you know, we're being authentic. I don't know, it is pretty touchy feely. So, (laughs) so the question is, what do you think are your next steps in this journey and how do you hope Square One helps you? - I feel like the demon possessed man and the Samaritan woman we talked about in the surprising evangelists episode a few episodes back. Yeah, bringing myself into these discussions with people is one of my big next steps. In the past, I think it's been a lot more like, walk through this pamphlet or read through this piece of scripture, this long gospel or the book of Acts. All of that is helpful. And while that's all a part of different approaches, I feel like my next step in this journey is really bringing myself and my story to the table. And I think connecting with people in that way, getting them to see like, why is this important to me? Why does this matter to me? And then this is why it should matter to you. I think is a big way of connecting people 'cause I'm not trying to make it about myself, but I am wanting people to know why I'm even having this conversation. Like, why is this important to me? Because this is what Jesus did for me. This is how Jesus fixed how I was broken. And when I think about square one and I think about having these conversations with people, I can show up in these conversations by letting people see how my life was not where it needed to be before I came to the Lord, how Jesus has made an impact on me, the cost of my discipleship. What does following the Lord cost me? Why is the hope that's setting in front of me right now the motivating factor that keeps me living joyfully every day? As I can share these things with people, as I can share my story, I think that's probably one of the biggest things that I need to be doing moving forward. And giving people the facts is fine, but walking beside somebody and helping clear the obstacles for them is a big thing that we talked about in our Getting to Square One series. I just wanna be doing that even more. - Yeah, that's really good. We cannot be uninvolved in this work. We can't keep our salvation out of it because what do I have to do with them? It's about them. This is, as we talked about how Jesus works as he shows up in people's lives, he brings this contagious holiness, right? You want them to catch Jesus almost. You want them to understand that this is something that is real life and that is transformational. The power of one person passing it on to another person is that it has changed me and now I'm offering it to you. And so that's a really important part. Not that the information of everything else isn't important, but so is how the information has affected you. I mean, when we preach, we don't just get up and read the Bible. We explain it through the fire of our own lives, as we've talked about. That's like my favorite definition of preaching is the word of God through the fire of someone's life. And that's evangelism. And I like that. I think that for me, consistency is something that I need to take a step in. Just like sometimes I am deep in it and I'm on fire and the lost and the people around me, that's the focus of my prayers. And then there's just so many different good and important things to focus on and to work on, whether that is working with those who are disciples and growing them or my family or my own faith in different ways or learning. And making a ever present part of my daily faith. Like I don't take a break from assembling with the saints on Sundays and whenever we're coming together, but I seem to kind of like take my foot off the gas on my focus in evangelism. So being more sustainable and consistent just in praying with specificity about the people around me and casting my net wide and creating more gospel centered connections and dialogues. I want to be able to give them something that is clear and helpful. And so that's a part of this for me. - I like the idea of consistency. It is easy to get on a roll with something, start up something and get excited about it for a while. And if you don't see the success in it, just to fall off the wagon. We don't take breaks about so many things and we need to make sure that being a fisher of men is really not something we're taking a break from. Keeping our foot on the gas, making sure we're driving through analogy land here. I don't know what's gonna land with you, but I think that's a good way to wrap this up for sure. So here on this episode, we've been talking about the upcoming square one series that's coming in two episodes. But on the next episode, we are going to be wrapping up season one of The Chosen with episode eight in our Bible Geeks AV club. This is the last chosen episode that we're gonna do this season. And for the rest of this season on through the winter time, we're gonna be talking through our square one series and having these core conversations about all the stuff that's involved in sharing the gospel with somebody who doesn't yet know Jesus. So thanks so much everyone for tuning in. You can find show notes for this episode in your podcast player of choice or at biblegeeks.fm/219. There's some links in there, especially the one from Berry Kercheville, go read that. And you can reach out to us if you have any questions or wanna hear something on an upcoming episode, please reach out. We'd love to get in touch with you. And until the next episode everyone, may the Lord bless you and keep you. Shalom.